Did you tell them 'here's my name & reg so you can record this'? Did you tell them 'I want this incident reported in your system'?soc said:Now, having parked my car & paid for the privilege - I walk to the Garda station - and reported the matter. Did they write anything down? No. Did they ask for my name? No. Did they ask for my car reg? No. All they said was 'we'll send someone out, to have a look'. I was bitterly disappointed in their lack of enthusiasm to investigate the matter. I don't think my complaint was even registered in their system... no wonder crime is artificially low!
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so what do you do to earn a crust?
Did you tell them 'here's my name & reg so you can record this'? Did you tell them 'I want this incident reported in your system'?
My point (as I'm sure you're already aware) is that there is little point in complaining on bulletin boards or to TD's or to Joe Duffy if it's not important enough for you to complain to the Guard in the first place.
I walk to the Garda station - and reported the matter. Did they write anything down? No. Did they ask for my name? No. Did they ask for my car reg? No. All they said was 'we'll send someone out, to have a look'.
Thanks for your advice, but it's really not necessary. I read the post fully. I'm refer to her complaint about the garda handling of her initial complaint, not her initial complaint itself. I'm wondering why she is complaining here about the garda handling, if she didn't complain to the Garda in question first.daltonr said:I think you might need to re-read her post, in particular the bit you quoted.
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Thanks for your advice, but it's really not necessary. I read the post fully. I'm refer to her complaint about the garda handling of her initial complaint, not her initial complaint itself. I'm wondering why she is complaining here about the garda handling, if she didn't complain to the Garda in question first.
Not to mention that some people question the fundamental premise on which the programme is posited in the first place - i.e. that we live in a "Rip-off Republic".daltonr said:To sum up,
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Some questions about the show's ability to get it's facts and figures straight. This has led some people to take a strong dislike to the show. Others are willing to let that go because they think the overall message still has merit.
Yes - in fact, in my opinion, it's even less than that - it's a meaningless concept.daltonr said:It probably is worth saying that there is such diversity in terms of what people think Rip-Off Ireland means that it's almost a meaningless phrase.
Actually percentage share of the vote [broken link removed] into percentage share of the seats.The Rip-Off brand seems to have been organically grown. The TV Show brilliantly exploited it. Fine Gael tried the same thing with their wesite. If they are as succesful as Eddie's show they'll have 51.5% of the seats in the next dail.
RainyDay said:I'm wondering why she is complaining here about the garda handling, if she didn't complain to the Garda in question first.
I asked you to explain this earlier. Do you mean that we are expected (by whom?) to put up with something (bad service?) and shut up about it (and not complain?)? If so who do you feel is imposing this pressure on you/us? As I have mentioned elsewhere I feel that the most appropriate way to highlight and deal with real problems/rip-offs is to complain and do one's best to have the rectified.soc said:which brings me back to my earlier statement - that Ireland has a put-up and shut-up ethos...
I'm a bit confused - what service did you finally receive as a result of complaining? Was this as a result of complaining today or during the original incident? Was this service an improvement on the service that you originally received?Only upon complaining did I get some 'service'.
So did you get the situation addressed in the end?Only when one kicks up a stink does a situation get rectified/corrected or addressed....
and now you say more certainly:I don't think my complaint was even registered in their system... no wonder crime is artificially low!
Can you explain this seeming discrepancy please? Is the second comment made in the light of checking up on matters today? Was the incident recorded after your complaint today?FYI: the crime WASN'T recorded on PULSE.
Yes - in fact, in my opinion, it's even less than that - it's a meaningless concept.
Actually percentage share of the vote does not directly translate into percentage share of the seats.
whom = those providing the good/serviceClubMan said:I asked you to explain this earlier. Do you mean that we are expected (by whom?) to put up with something (bad service?) and shut up about it (and not complain?)?
As a nation, the Irish very rarely complain.... I refuse to be a part of that.If so who do you feel is imposing this pressure on you/us?
But why should I have to complain in the first place?? Why can't I just be given the proper good/service for the money I pay?I feel that the most appropriate way to highlight and deal with real problems/rip-offs is to complain and do one's best to have the rectified.
That the crime was recorded. If the Garda managed to bag the d!ckheads that committed the crime... even better. But I wanted this to be recorded, and if possible addressed.I'm a bit confused - what service did you finally receive as a result of complaining?
Yes.Was this as a result of complaining today??
Yes, I got what I wanted *minimally*, which was for the crime to be acknowledged.... I want to ensure that any crimes committed on me are included in national statistics... Again, if the perpetrators are caught...even betterWas this service an improvement on the service that you originally received?
Can you explain this seeming discrepancy please? Is the second comment made in the light of checking up on matters today? Was the incident recorded after your complaint today?
soc said:that I didn't want the crime to go 'unseen', and wanted it recorded on the system, and a PULSE id given to me.
Not necessarily - I believe (not least of all based on debates around here) that many people go around blaming "bad stuff" on "rip-off Ireland" without thinking too deeply about it. When presented with facts that rebut some of their prejudices many of them are likely to recognise that their assumptions may be flawed.daltonr said:But even you will have to admit that there's a very real sense (even if you don't share it) that something is wrong and that feeling is growing and being shared by more and more people. The phrase Rip-Off seems to encapsulate something for an awful lot of people, the phrase wouldn't have found such wide use if it didn't hit a nerve.
Up to 300,000 people have tuned in to watch eircom League games on TV in the past few years but the average crowds are still in the low thousands each week. Watching TV is easy and passive. Being a bit more active about stuff takes a little too much effort for many people.The fact that over half a million people are tuning in indicates that this Brand has meaning to a lot of people even if you and I can't agree what that meaning is.
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Why do you and Brendan insist on comparing Ireland of today with Ireland of the 80's? Compare Ireland of today with the rest of the world today. Your logic would claim that Ireland has a state of the art Health Service because compared to Healthcare 100 years ago it's great. It's a nonsense.
If your claims of no Rip-off can't stand up to scrutiny in the world we currently live in then going back 20 years to find somewhere worse to compare with really weakens your argument. Why not go back 100 years and the Ireland of today would be Utopia?
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Of course Ireland has a higher standard of Living than Ireland of the 1980's I have never ever even once claimed that Ireland was a better place at any time in it's past.
People are constantly told they live in a low tax economy but when they total up the taxes they pay and then add the additional cost of living that's caused by the government compounding other taxes they question just how low is low.
As I outlined here and in subsequent posts in the same thread I dispute the claim that we don't live in a low tax economy.Compared to the 80's taxes are low. Compared to our neighbours some of our taxes e.g. corporation tax is very low. This is the justification for calling it a low tax economy.
People pay €10 for a fantasic meal in one country and then come home and pay €25 for a lower quality meal and understanably think it's the restaurant ripping them off.
That's more like it - collate and analyse the data first and only then draw conclusions. You know it makes sense.daltonr said:I'd love to see crime statistics for the percentage of crimes reported but not recorded, and the figures for crimes recorded but not investigated.
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