Recall of all pork in public health alert

I was in our local Valu Centre shopping today. All the fridges with pork products were sealed. The other fridges containing Hams were not sealed. I lifted a nice piece of smoked ham with the intention of buying and then asked my hubbie "how come the ham is available and yet the pork is not, given the present problem"? Before he could answer a shop assistant came over and asked was I buying the ham to which I replied 'yes' and he said 'I suppose it's ok but we are clearing all the shelves in this section!!!!! Needless to say I didn't buy the ham.
 
Our local Dunnes was selling half price pork steaks most of the day on Saturday. Did they know something?
 
All I know is the effects of dioxin are being hushed up... http://www.idph.state.il.us/envhealth/factsheets/dioxin.htm


"In animal studies, dioxins have caused nerve damage, birth defects, increased incidence of miscarriages and significant changes to the immune system. Studies have shown that reproductive, immune and nervous systemsof the developing fetus and children are more sensitive and susceptible to dioxin toxicity. Exposure to large amounts of dioxins over a short period of time, or continuous low-level exposure over an extended period can cause cancer and other severe immune deficiency effects in animals; however, there is not sufficient information from human studies"

How can the government be expert advisers?
 
You can lead a horse to water..... Seems the rest of the world is taking it more serious....

The Dutch blew the whistle yesterday and then the Irish government told us at 8pm we had a problem emm eh just observation. Now top scientists are appearing and saying what the government are saying is bull.... lets watch it play out.

The danger is being played down truth is they haven`t got a clue... some experts now saying short term exposure means 30 days not months or lifetimes...really depends how much pork you eat so some may have been exposed to larger quantities and what about those who were handling the feed?
 
ahha said:
The danger is being played down truth is they haven`t got a clue... some experts now saying short term exposure means 30 days not months or lifetimes...
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The issue is not time, but total quantity -- high levels in a short time, or low levels over a long time.

You are scaremongering.
 
Did I miss something or was I just listening and watching facial expressions when the government officials sat down for the press release on saturday night...

"The levels of dioxin found are very high" and in the next breath "the levels of dioxins are extremely high" ?
 
ahha said:
Did I miss something or was I just listening and watching facial expressions when the government officials sat down for the press release on saturday night...

"The levels of dioxin found are very high" and in the next breath "the levels of dioxins are extremely high" ?
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I don't know what you saw or didn't see. The FSAI says : "any possible risk to consumer health is extremely low" ( [broken link removed] ) and I would accept that more readily than than your interpretation of what you saw.
 
PB that was a direct quote direct from the Irish official from the EU meeting with Mary Harney sitting at the desk 3 chairs down.....its been running all day...hello..

very high and extremely high were the exact words used.....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QnQ57M7tBXA from the fsai....

Head of BioCHEMISTRY at UCC has accussed the government of spouting pure opinion (propaganda) and not hard fact..emm nothing new there.... think he knows what he`s talking about he is into Biochemical Toxicology incase you feel like questioning him. [broken link removed]
 
ajapale said:
Our local Dunnes was selling half price pork steaks most of the day on Saturday. Did they know something?
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Same thought crossed my mind. They had two for one packets of ham plus another two for one packets of ham bundled together as a special offer late last week. Unfortunately sitting in my fridge today and not on their shelf.
 
I have followed all of ahha's links.

The first one, accompanying the post alleging a cover-up, says nothing new, and nothing about cover-ups.

The second one has been quoted by ahha in a misleading way: the levels of dioxins were described as "very high" and "extremely high" in the feed, not in the pork.

The third link simply tells us what Prof. Heffron's specialisms are, not what he said about the question under discussion.

As I said in an earlier post: scaremongering.
 
PB the levels of PCB found in the pig fat sample were 200 times acceptable limits. (1 anadin cure headache 200 anadins knock you flat.)

Italians reported this problem 3 months ago hence our governments date Sept 1, on Saturday the Dutch reported Ireland to the EU, 5 minutes later we have an Irish press conference before the Dutch report gets out...

Irish government are assuming by the belgian outbreak that everything is cool (unproven assumption), its not in belgium the levels (industrial oil in feed) were only 100 times the WHO acceptable level? All farm animals pigs cows chickens etc were slaughtered they all eat the same feed. 1999 scandal were ministers resigned not the incident in 2006 referred to on Q&A which was mingled to paint rosy picture.

There is pigs being slaughtered/ binned on farms around us that never received the feed. Today right now this is happening. People in local supermarket crying about there whole lives being destroyed, as they had invested so much in herds.

Now lets discuss PCB`s you will find a report from 2001 on the FSAI sight monitoring high levels of PCB`s in the cork harbour area due to chemical companies the pcb`s were found in cows (milk) around the area, now lets go back a couple of months about reports of elevated levels of cancer in that exact area... ding ding..... PCB`s are lethally dangerous.

Just my observations based on fact.

Some people may have consumed hugh levels while others did not consume any... so how can you make a blanket assumption on everbodies health??? You can`t...
 
ahha, I just don't understand your agenda. You play fast and loose with facts; you shift your emphasis; you provide links that do not support what you say; you make other claims that you do not back up.

So I hold to my judgement that all you are doing is scaremongering.
 
There are layoffs because of this issue and the pork people are looking for compensation from the govt.

Surely the layoffs are temporary?

Why arent the pork folk looking for compensation from the offending supplier?

Thanks
 
dockingtrade said:
Why arent the pork folk looking for compensation from the offending supplier?
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I suspect that the scale of the problem is so great that it is beyond the resources of that supplier to pay more than a tiny fraction of the losses.
 
how did they figure out the existence of a problem and the source at the same time?
 
sandrat said:
how did they figure out the existence of a problem and the source at the same time?
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Not quite the same time, but very soon after. This is "all that bureaucracy" that people so often complain about. The dioxins were found in a meat sample from a particular producer. Producers have to keep records of the feedstuffs they buy in, and samples of those feedstuffs are also taken for testing. So once the meat sample showed problems, there was a trail that led back to the feed supplier, and then forward to the other pig producers who had been supplied from the same operation.

Yet if it was not for events like this, where the systems proved to be useful, people might continue to carp about the paperwork burdens imposed on farmers and others. When this story dies down, the carping about bureaucracy can resume.
 
Yet if it was not for events like this, where the systems proved to be useful, people might continue to carp about the paperwork burdens imposed on farmers and others. When this story dies down, the carping about bureaucracy can resume.
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Isn't it the case that another country alerted Ireland to the problem (Italy was it?) and all Irish pork products are to be destroyed? With that in mind, it was appear to me that the Irish systems did not prove to be useful. In fact, they would appear to be a complete waste of time and money.
 
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