Thanks, that would be my opinion also.It only applies on first entry, as far as I know.
The purpose of offering it is to compensate for the years of service you would miss while getting the necessary experience.
If your experience is gained while already serving, then you haven't missed anything, and can't reasonably expect to be credited for the same years twice.
E would remain 0 for both in your example.
From the cspensions website13.9
Notional added years of pensionable service
are granted to certain public servants
recruited in professional, technical and
specialist grades. These years are intended
to compensate for the inability of individuals
in such positions to qualify (by pension age)
for a full pension based on 40 years’ service
because of the essential requirements
for appointment to the job e.g. specialist
qualifications and/or length of required
experience.
28. What are added years?
Notional service or added years may be awarded in certain exceptional cases:-
i. On ill-health retirement;
ii. Where the essential competition requirements (e.g. qualifications, experience, age requirements) are such as to preclude appointment by age 25;
iii. On recruitment to certain designated grades.
The award of added years at (ii) and (iii) can only be confirmed at retirement. The amount of the award at (ii) and (iii) may be affected by an individual's circumstances such as retained benefits e.g. prior service, prior occupational pension, State Pension Benefits or age on leaving service.
I spoke to a couple of people this morning and they had heard of the 1/3rd rule but were not aware of 18 + Q + E -18Certain officers appointed to professional, technical and specialist posts may be eligible for added years on retirement under the LGSS – either the Local Government Act 1926 or the Ad Hoc Scheme.
At present under the Local Government Act 1926, an individual is entitled to a gross award of professional added years of up to 1/3 of their actual service, up to a maximum of 10 years.
However, an individual who leaves service before the age of 60 is not entitled to any added years and if he/she retires between 60 and 65 the added years entitlement is reduced by the period between their date of retirement and their 65th birthday, e.g. a person aged 60 has their gross entitlement reduced by 5 years.The same rules apply to an award under the Ad Hoc Scheme.
I found the original job requirements for my first public sector role.
It was a degree together with 3 years post-graduate experience.
18 + Q + E -18 (provided that 18 + Q + E exceeds 25) for those recruited before 2005.
18 + 4 + 3 -18 = 7 added years.
I joined in 1999
As you joined in 1999 you would seem to be in what is called the "New Scheme" (ie, between 1st April 1997 and 1st April 2005).
The formula seems to be 19 + Q + E - 25. There is a reduction if you are retiring before minimal retirement age.
See 9.4, and specifically 9.4.4, in the link below.
Calculation of Gross Award:
In cases where the prescribed minimum qualifications and/or experience preclude appointment by age 25 - see paragraph (2)(a) of Section 9.4.3 above –
the gross award is the figure arrived at by the formula 19 + A + B - 25.
where A is the minimum number of years in which the qualifications (if any) can be obtained;
and B is the minimum number of years of essential experience required (if any).
http://www.cspensions.gov.ie/SuperannuationHandbookandGuidanceDec20061.pdf
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As you joined in 1999 you would seem to be in what is called the "New Scheme" (ie, between 1st April 1997 and 1st April 2005).
The formula seems to be 19 + Q + E - 25. There is a reduction if you are retiring before minimal retirement age.
See 9.4, and specifically 9.4.4, in the link below.
Calculation of Gross Award:
In cases where the prescribed minimum qualifications and/or experience preclude appointment by age 25 - see paragraph (2)(a) of Section 9.4.3 above –
the gross award is the figure arrived at by the formula 19 + A + B - 25.
where A is the minimum number of years in which the qualifications (if any) can be obtained;
and B is the minimum number of years of essential experience required (if any).
http://www.cspensions.gov.ie/SuperannuationHandbookandGuidanceDec20061.pdf
Many thanks, That looks like 1 yea3 19 +4 + 3 -25
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