Pregnant girl looking for abortion money

[Pique318]

Thats the thing, if you willingly have sex then you are doing so for the enjoyment if not procreation and if you happen to end up pregnant anyway then you should have been aware of this possibility in the first place. Pregnancy is a real possibility if you have sex, thats not a shock.

Drowning is a real possibility if you go swimming, being attacked is a real possibility if you wander into certain areas at certain times, dying is a real possibility if you go into hospital for a procedure that requires general anesthetic....do you not have a right to complain if something like that happens ? Sheesh. are you a flat-earther too MrMan ?
"Don't come running to me if you break your leg!"

 

[michaelm]

Can I assume from your name that you are a Man?

Assume what you will. Abortion is not a women's issue, it's a societal issue. A sizeable majority of aborted children are female, aborted because they're female, which is causing demographic issues in places like China and India.

Any thoughts on the resultant effect that this would have on the 11 year old girl in this instance?

Yes. The victim in such cases should receive all the care and support they require, they did nothing wrong, nor did the child they carry. To put them through the second ordeal of an abortion would be detrimental to their longterm well being. Abortion would not be in their best interest.

 

[dereko1969]

this thread should be locked. it's pointless at this stage and will end up having people annoyed with each other and regarding the good advice given in other threads as 'tainted' by what is said here.

 

[michaelm]

this thread should be locked. it's pointless at this stage and will end up having people annoyed with each other and regarding the good advice given in other threads as 'tainted' by what is said here.

This post will be deleted if not edited to remove bad language. Don't read it. This is LOS.

 

[ney001]

this thread should be locked. it's pointless at this stage and will end up having people annoyed with each other and regarding the good advice given in other threads as 'tainted' by what is said here.

I think we all adult enough to separate discussions here. We are allowed to disagree - doesn't mean we are dumb enough not to take on board somebody's suggestions about mortgage payments etc just because they do/don't believe in abortion. sheeeeeeeesh!

 

[truthseeker]

This post will be deleted if not edited to remove bad language. Don't read it. This is LOS.

See - Michaelm and myself are in full agreement on this issue!

Michaelm - I thought of a question for you. If a woman was pregnant and her own life was threatened by the pregnancy (lets just say that this is definitive - she WILL die if she carries the pregnancy to term) - should she be allowed to have an abortion?

 

[Dave Vanian]

So does that mean that anyone who engages in activity that may lead to pregnancy - whether or not they willingly intended to create life - should just suck it up and take the consequences?

If they do that, there won't be any consequences, if my knowledge of biology is correct.

OK I'll duck now.

 

[ney001]

If they do that, there won't be any consequences, if my knowledge of biology is correct.

OK I'll duck now.

Very good!

 

[Flax]

So bloody patronising! - I think you are grossly misunderstanding the trauma that carrying a child to full term and then giving it away could have. Not to mention the severe pain that children of drug addicts/alcoholics are born with, all going through withdrawals and having after effects for the rest of their lives.

You still don't get it.

I fully understand carrying a baby and giving birth is not a pleasant, problem free experience. However discomfort and unhappiness cannot be considered comparable to killing something. They are miles apart.

I'm sorry to repeat myself, but women do not magically get pregnant. They understand the risks, take the risks, and then they get pregnant. Yes they might be shocked that it actually happened and wish they could go back in time, but killing the unborn child is an extreme way of dealing with their mistake.

Seriously, the discomfort and inconvenience a surprise pregnancy causes cannot be compared to extinguishing a life. You cannot see this, and that is why I have doubts you understand what an abortion is.

Simple question: should your mother be allowed go back in time and abort your life?

 

[michaelm]

Michaelm - I thought of a question for you. If a woman was pregnant and her own life was threatened by the pregnancy (lets just say that this is definitive - she WILL die if she carries the pregnancy to term) - should she be allowed to have an abortion?

Abortion is the deliberate and wanton destruction of the unborn. Your question is erroneous in your use of the word 'abortion' to describe the loss of life of an unborn child in relation to a surgical procedure necessary to save the life of the mother. Irish hospitals do not carry out abortions but necessary lifesaving treatment is never denied to expectant women. This is as it should be.

 

[truthseeker]

You still don't get it.

I fully understand carrying a baby and giving birth is not a pleasant, problem free experience. However discomfort and unhappiness cannot be considered comparable to killing something. They are miles apart.

Flax - I think you dont get it. They are miles apart - in YOUR opinion - not in the opinion of others.

I'm sorry to repeat myself, but women do not magically get pregnant. They understand the risks, take the risks, and then they get pregnant. Yes they might be shocked that it actually happened and wish they could go back in time, but killing the unborn child is an extreme way of dealing with their mistake.

But sometimes they get pregnant when they dont want to and forcing a woman to use her body to carry a baby to term and give birth taking a womans choice about what she wants to use her own body for. Raping a woman is also taking away her choice about what she wants to use her own body for. I believe woman should be allowed to choose how they want to use their own bodies.

Seriously, the discomfort and inconvenience a surprise pregnancy causes cannot be compared to extinguishing a life. That is why I have doubts you understand what an abortion is; you cannot see the real difference between giving birth and killing something.

I dont believe that it is extinguishing a life. I believe it is extinguishing the POTENTIAL for a life.

It is not that people do not understand what abortion is, but some people view on what constitutes life is different to others. This does not mean that anyone is wrong - just that their opinions differ. It does not mean that anyone is not 'getting it'. They just disagree with your viewpoint.

 

[truthseeker]

Abortion is the deliberate and wanton destruction of the unborn. Your question is erroneous in your use of the word 'abortion' to describe the loss of life of an unborn child in relation to a surgical procedure necessary to save the life of the mother. Irish hospitals do not carry out abortions but necessary lifesaving treatment is never denied to expectant women. This is as it should be.

So you do agree with abortion in some cases then.

 

[ney001]

You still don't get it.

I fully understand carrying a baby and giving birth is not a pleasant, problem free experience. However discomfort and unhappiness cannot be considered comparable to killing something. They are miles apart.

I'm sorry to repeat myself, but women do not magically get pregnant. They understand the risks, take the risks, and then they get pregnant. Yes they might be shocked that it actually happened and wish they could go back in time, but killing the unborn child is an extreme way of dealing with their mistake.

Seriously, the discomfort and inconvenience a surprise pregnancy causes cannot be compared to extinguishing a life. You cannot see this, and that is why I have doubts you understand what an abortion is.

Last post on this matter from me!

I understand well what an abortion entails! However, do not glibly right off the fact that somebody gets an abortion as they cannot detail with the discomfort or inconvenience - do you have any idea just how patronising you are??? I have serious doubts that you do.

As I have stated - most people don't just have an abortion because they can! - they assess their own situations and as stated they could be drug addicts/in abusive relationships/ rape victims/children themselves and they make a decision based on that - not just because it'll be uncomfortable for nine months! Don't be so naive. Oh of course I forgot according to you 99% of people who get abortions do so just because they can! - I must come up with some fantastic percentages of my own!.

Have a good weekend everybody!
Flax - don't fall off your soap box!

 

[MrMan]

Drowning is a real possibility if you go swimming, being attacked is a real possibility if you wander into certain areas at certain times, dying is a real possibility if you go into hospital for a procedure that requires general anesthetic....do you not have a right to complain if something like that happens ? Sheesh. are you a flat-earther too MrMan ?
"Don't come running to me if you break your leg!"

I think the right to complain is far removed from the right to abort because you unintentionally got pregnant. Of course you can complain, feel sorry for yourself etc thats the natural reaction but does that excuse the fact that you knew that what happened could have happened in the first place. I don't understand why you would think I was a flat earther when I'm dealing in logic and fact.

 

[Flax]

No, I'm afraid on this issue it is not a matter of opinion, but a misunderstanding of the facts.

Most babies born after 24 weeks (which is when you can have an abortion in the UK) survive ok. So I think it is fair to say they are "alive" in the womb and not some kind of pretend-life.

So if you exterminate this life because you don't want to be pregnant, that is a very selfish and extreme act.

If a woman gives birth after 26 weeks, and then kills the child, is it "abortion" or murder? If it's murder, why is it suddenly different because the child is no longer in her body?

You can say "in my opinion the child born after 26 weeks isn't alive" but you'd be wrong. Not everything can come down to "a matter of opinion". Some things are facts.

Killing a life is killing a life, whether or not the life is still in the woman's body or has come into the world.

 

[michaelm]

So you do agree with abortion in some cases then.

Now you're being somewhat disingenuous here. Abortion is the removal of the embryo or fetus in order to end the pregnancy. The loss of the embryo or fetus related to a lifesaving operation or lifesaving medication is NOT abortion. An abortion serves only to prematurely end a pregnancy, it does not solve medical or mental health problems.

 

[truthseeker]

Now you're being somewhat disingenuous here. Abortion is the removal of the embryo or fetus in order to end the pregnancy. The loss of the embryo or fetus related to a lifesaving operation or lifesaving medication is NOT abortion. An abortion serves only to prematurely end a pregnancy, it does not solve medical or mental health problems.

No matter what kind of 'linguistic semantics' you employ, termination of a pregnancy is termination of a pregnancy no matter what the reason.

 

[truthseeker]

Most babies born after 24 weeks (which is when you can have an abortion in the UK) survive ok. So I think it is fair to say they are "alive" in the womb and not some kind of pretend-life.

Im willing to be corrected on this but I dont think they 'survive ok' without massive medical intervention. If a baby is born at 24 weeks and a woman just tries to get on with feeding, changing, washing etc that baby will die.

 

[Flax]

Im willing to be corrected on this but I dont think they 'survive ok' without massive medical intervention. If a baby is born at 24 weeks and a woman just tries to get on with feeding, changing, washing etc that baby will die.

Yes, generally it will require some medical help, but the point I am making is the child is alive. It are not pretend-life. So when you abort this life you really are ending an actual life.

I know humans are peculiar, but I would hope most are able to see past themselves for the sake of saving another life.

 

[truthseeker]

Yes, generally it will require some medical help, but the point I am making is the child is alive. It are not pretend-life. So when you abort this life you really are ending an actual life.

I know humans are peculiar, but I would hope most are able to see past themselves for the sake of saving another life.

But its life is wholly dependant on medical intervention. In a lot of countries this would effectively mean a dead baby. It still only has 'potential' for life.