Gordon Gekko
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Yes, you’ve paid your green fee to play.Of course not, you've paid your entry ticket into Augusta in either case.
Thank you @Duke of Marmalade for initiating the Stewards' Enquiry - and for the result, which pleases me no end.Stewards' Enquiry - that extent of a winning margin suggests the possibility of doping!
And indeed my performance was enhanced by the substantial PRSA injection at the start.
In terms of the ARF course in isolation my figures are: Withdrew 81% (only 4% p.a. mind). Now has 169%
I can confirm that as a result of the SE the places have been reversed.
Colm,A PS to my update above for the six months to end June: the figures imply that dividends in the half-year were €2,543 (per €100,000 at the start). This equates to a dividend yield of over 2.5% for the half-year, over 5% for the year. That surprised me because, while I have some high-dividend payers in the portfolio, there are some with very low dividend yields. I'll check the figure. BTW, the calculation was 1955+2968+246-623-2003.
In answer to @GSheehy, yes, the returns quoted (13.4% and 11.2%) are net of all fees (but before PAYE and USC of course - no PRSI at my age!). I didn't spend any time or effort in managing the fund. I just left what I had alone. The only transaction was a sale, and I decided to sell the biggest holding. Maybe I'll spend more time managing the fund now that my efforts to persuade government to adopt the same strategy for the national AE pension scheme (pre- and post-retirement) have come to nought.
I checked my calculations and made some interesting discoveries.This equates to a dividend yield of over 2.5% for the half-year, over 5% for the year. That surprised me because, while I have some high-dividend payers in the portfolio, there are some with very low dividend yields. I'll check the figure.
Colm, that’s very interesting.I checked my calculations and made some interesting discoveries.
My ARF can be divided into two very distinct groups: "high dividend" and "low dividend" shares. The former have dividend yields of over 7% and the latter dividend yields below 3%. There's nothing in between: it's a "barbell" portfolio. It happened by accident, not by design.
At 30 June 2024, "high dividend" shares accounted for 38.5% of the portfolio by value, "low dividend" shares for 59.7% by value. However, 91.6% of the dividends were paid by "high dividend" shares and just 8.4% by "low dividend" shares. Dividends in the half year for "high dividend" shares were 5.4% of market value at 30 June, dividends for "low dividend" shares were just 0.3% of market value at 30 June.
An even more surprising statistic is that the value of the "low dividend" shares increased by 22.2% while the value of the "high dividend" shares fell by 2.2% in the half-year (a strange coincidence of "2"s!!). The pattern is reasonably consistent across the portfolio, with a small number of exceptions in both directions, of course.
I'm still trying to get my head around it all. I wonder if there was a fashion in the half-year for "low dividend" shares to do well and "high dividend" ones to do less well. I don't know enough about investments to make a call. If it is a fashion, will high dividend shares come back in favour at some future date?
Surely stock picking is riskier than a global equity fund.On the other hand, I don't think I would have risked putting all my money in equities if I didn't know the companies I was investing in and didn't have confidence that they would deliver reasonable returns in the long-term.
To be fair @Colm Fagan does acknowledge in his opening post that he would have done far better if he had simply invested in a passive global equity fund.Surely stock picking is riskier than a global equity fund.
Does the same gold true for stocks selected not at random? I seem to recall reading that you investigated the companies before buying shares in then.If one accepts that the market is always right (which has to be the rational starting point), then a random selection of stocks will beat a passive fund - on average. .
You are right, of course. There's no way that I'd buy a share at random. I always do some research, although for some of my purchases, the research was done many years ago. I was trying to make a theoretical point with my reference to randomness.I seem to recall reading that you investigated the companies before buying shares in then.
Right again. Total return, dividends and capital gain, is what matters. For the gross (pension fund) investor, it doesn't matter whether the return comes from capital growth or dividends.As for dividend shares, the theory states that the value of a share should fall by the amount of the dividend as soon as it's paid.
I think you are wrong here?If one accepts that the market is always right (which has to be the rational starting point), then a random selection of stocks will beat a passive fund - on average. I agree that it's riskier, but the balance of riskiness should be on the upside since you avoid charges completely (and switching costs, which are there with passive funds as well as active ones).
Regardless of how it feels, I’m really struggling to see how any of the above is right.If one accepts that the market is always right (which has to be the rational starting point), then a random selection of stocks will beat a passive fund - on average. I agree that it's riskier, but the balance of riskiness should be on the upside since you avoid charges completely (and switching costs, which are there with passive funds as well as active ones). The element of riskiness should reduce over time, so that the longer the holding period, the less the divergence from the market (I haven't proved this to be true mathematically, but it feels right).
Sounds convincing, but most funds have piddling amounts in a massive number of shares, which dilutes the impact of blockbusters. In my case, I've had Novo Nordisk and Apple in my portfolio for the three and half years from end 2020 to June 2024. They both account for double digit percentages of the fund. Novo Nordisk's share price is 467% of what it was at the start of the period (allowing for the share split) while Apple's is 181% of its value at the start of the period. I recognise that Novo Nordisk was a fluke - I was lucky - but I'm not complaining!I think you are wrong here?
The future prospect for each share is different. If you accept that A very small percent of shares drive most of the market returns. With your small random set, on average, you are more likely to miss at least one of the greats, which will drive underperformance.
Firstly, 326% over 13.5 years is 9.1% a year (8.5% after fees), which is quite a bit less than 11.2% a year.I checked a family member’s ARF just there which is in an equity fund. 326% for the same period gross of fees, which are 0.6% pa in total (0.5% headline). Seems like a lot more than 11.2% pa over 13 years.
Is it not 11.33%? I agree that one would expect 326% to translate into a higher number.Sounds convincing, but most funds have piddling amounts in a massive number of shares, which dilutes the impact of blockbusters. In my case, I've had Novo Nordisk and Apple in my portfolio for the three and half years from end 2020 to June 2024. They both account for double digit percentages of the fund. Novo Nordisk's share price is 467% of what it was at the start of the period (allowing for the share split) while Apple's is 181% of its value at the start of the period. I recognise that Novo Nordisk was a fluke - I was lucky - but I'm not complaining!
Firstly, 326% over 13.5 years is 9.1% a year (8.5% after fees), which is quite a bit less than 11.2% a year.
I honestly don't know how well my ARF has done relative to the equity market. The main point, which I've made on many occasions, is that I've gained by having it all in equities for the entire period. That is unusual for ARF's that are the pensioner's main source of income (some have all-equity ARF's on top of their "core" DB pensions). However, my exchange with @Duke of Marmalade earlier in this thread makes me think that my ARF performed better than the average all-equity portfolio.
True, but In a passive market fund all the blockbusters are guaranteed to be included over time.but most funds have piddling amounts in a massive number of shares, which dilutes the impact of blockbusters
Obviously there will be a lot of variance for individual sets, with some under and some over performing. And in my framing you seem to have chosen a good set! Congratulations on your luck or as some would argue skill!!If one accepts that the market is always right (which has to be the rational starting point), then a random selection of stocks will beat a passive fund - on average
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