Pensions - how good an investment realistically?

I've spoken with my son, and his goal is to have enough money to emigrate and as he says " in a country where money is not everything people talk about ".He'll have some difficulties finding one but it's his life.
No problem, he can come to Switzerland. Money is not a topic of conversation here, we don’t even disclose salary levels on job ads and some contracts even prohibit it.
 
I don't think you are understanding me.
Capital is safe, plus a small interest premium. Plus the 40% tax relief.
The only way my capital is at risk, is if the state goes bust.
A return of 8% per year is not required for those investors over 50. The state can offer the same interest rate as state savings, which are still very popular. It doesn't need to compete with risky equity funds. It's a safe, capital guaranteed savings account, for your pension.
Sure I might lose out if equity markets perform like the last 10 years. But if they perform like the 10 years before that, I'm quids in. But,more importantly, I will preserve my capital investment and never go negative.
Oh I understand you perfectly, I’ve has 30+ year hearing this story while people continue tI loose money on bonds, but you just don’t see the full risk profile of bonds.
 
It doesn't really matter what sort of pension contributions method the government might introduce because at present no Irish government can be trusted. A previous government has raided the invested pension funds of its citizens. Until there is a law passed to guarantee that this will never be repeated, it is uncertain if investing in a pension in Ireland is a good idea. Pensions are a very long term investment and the rules should not be constantly changed by the government. Most recent changes made, have been to the disadvantage of the pension contributer.
You are right pension funds are long term investments and consequently no government can give you a long term commitment to the rules. Pension and taxation rules change regularly all over Europe as does the state of economies and rates of return. But despite all of that you are still more likely to be better off if you invest in a pension than if you don’t.
 
Irish Govt Bonds are currently yielding less than 1% pa. But Bond values are only guaranteed if you hold the Bond to maturity. Otherwise the capital value rises when interest rates fall , BUT the capital value FALLS when interest rates rise.
So looking ahead, are interest are more likely to rise or fall? All the current evidence suggest interest rates are more likely to rise in the near future. So Irish Government Bond holders are getting a very low interest rate and may see capital values fall (if not held to maturity). Hardly an ideal investment strategy for retirees.
Well that is the theory, but it ignores a crucial element: Irish issues are small and easy to manipulate and the biggest holder of Euro bonds is the SNB (Swiss National Bank), in fact they hold bonds equivalent to the deficit of the seven biggest Euro Group states as part of their capital reserve and Irish bonds are a big part of it. They have admitted they they have on at least three occasions conducted market operations in defense of Irish bonds. The SNB is the only central bank with both the depth of capital and the freedom to act in taking on the ECB, so I would not expect to see any long term impact on valuations for some time. There are also many medium sized player who have issued various derivatives on the back of Euro bonds and even several synthetics out there. That is why it is not recommended for small investors to buy individual bonds, especially those of small nations.
 
No problem, he can come to Switzerland. Money is not a topic of conversation here, we don’t even disclose salary levels on job ads and some contracts even prohibit it.
Believe it or not, its on his list, Sweden also and while he has little knowledge of Asia he has a yearning to see Japan.

But we know hes a HSP , highly sensitive person,and is not your typical 20 year and funnily enough all those countries acknowledge what good having that trait is/ does, especially for society.
 
Oh I understand you perfectly, I’ve has 30+ year hearing this story while people continue tI loose money on bonds, but you just don’t see the full risk profile of bonds.
I'm proposing a Deposit savings scheme using the Irish State Savings Scheme.
It's not designed for international bond dealers, or fancy dan equity traders.
But, if people are happy for the current failure to continue , so be it.
Millions of people will still need a pension, housing, heating, healthcare, nursing home assistance, etc.
But we can do it the Communist way, by redistributing wealth via taxation. Suits me.
 
I'm proposing a Deposit savings scheme using the Irish State Savings Scheme.
It's not designed for international bond dealers, or fancy dan equity traders.
But, if people are happy for the current failure to continue , so be it.
Millions of people will still need a pension, housing, heating, healthcare, nursing home assistance, etc.
But we can do it the Communist way, by redistributing wealth via taxation. Suits me.

Thanks Pearse - hope you're enjoying the mid-term break!
 
You are right pension funds are long term investments and consequently no government can give you a long term commitment to the rules. Pension and taxation rules change regularly all over Europe as does the state of economies and rates of return. But despite all of that you are still more likely to be better off if you invest in a pension than if you don’t.
Pension contributions are given tax relief at the contribution stage and then taxed as income when they are drawn down.
This is deferred taxation.
A previous Irish government decided to add a wealth tax style levy to the assets of individual pension holders funds. This wealth tax hit the pension funds of workers on minimum wages as well as the most wealthy workers.
You seem to have good knowledge of other European countries banking and tax systems. Are you aware of any other country imposing a wealth tax on low paid workers pension funds.
 
I'm proposing a Deposit savings scheme using the Irish State Savings Scheme.
It's not designed for international bond dealers, or fancy dan equity traders.
But, if people are happy for the current failure to continue , so be it.
Millions of people will still need a pension, housing, heating, healthcare, nursing home assistance, etc.
But we can do it the Communist way, by redistributing wealth via taxation. Suits me.
Ah here your idea isn't that out there but this distribution of wealth is utter nonsense, the only distribution you want is from those who pay for everything anyway.

During lockdown income tax receipts didn't fall off a cliff so using a back of envelope calculation 350000 people who got pup either paid no tax or very little tax prior, ie they work tax free and now you want to subsidise them further?

Get up the yard.
 
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