New boss for the HSE

Leo said:
The AAM indicators would suggest otherwise, and I think there's a broader and growing dissatisfaction with ever increasing costs of an under-performing public sector.
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I’d prefer to go with Taoiseach Varadkar’s view that in terms of future stoppages the Government “ wants to resolve this “ as a result of “ the enormous public support “ that the nurses have accumulated.
Perhaps this dispute is on it’s way to the Labour Court ?
I must admit that the day AAM indicators indicate the general view on industrial disputes is a terrifying prospect from my point of view !
It’s at times like this and previously the Garda dispute that the Government must wish for the old days of social partnership
 
Deiseblue said:
It’s at times like this and previously the Garda dispute that the Government must wish for the old days of social partnership
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Socialist Partnetrship, i.e. two rounds of Benchmarking cost the people of Ireland the price of the new National Children's Hospital each year, every year.
I don't think average Garda pay of €72,000 per year, plus €36,000 worth of pension contributions for a package worth €108,000 a year, is good value for money.
I don't think that average nurses pay of €57,600 a year, plus €18,000 worth of pension contributions for a package worth €74,000 a year, is good value for money either.
 
Deiseblue said:
I’d prefer to go with Taoiseach Varadkar’s view that in terms of future stoppages the Government “ wants to resolve this “ as a result of “ the enormous public support “ that the nurses have accumulated.
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Of course you would, but let's not fool ourselves that this strike has earned them any more support than they had in advance. In reality, it is only serving to erode that support.

Deiseblue said:
I must admit that the day AAM indicators indicate the general view on industrial disputes is a terrifying prospect from my point of view !
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You will note the overwhelming majority on this site will side with the individual in cases of mistreatment or unfair work practices, so if they have a genuine grievance, how are their representatives doing such a bad job of communicating those with a media that is often biased towards such causes? There are threads on this issues on other forums that are a lot less moderate than the views on here. More and more people are starting to shout stop to greed masquerading as anything other than what it is.
 
Purple said:
Socialist Partnetrship, i.e. two rounds of Benchmarking cost the people of Ireland the price of the new National Children's Hospital each year, every year.
I don't think average Garda pay of €72,000 per year, plus €36,000 worth of pension contributions for a package worth €108,000 a year, is good value for money.
I don't think that average nurses pay of €57,600 a year, plus €18,000 worth of pension contributions for a package worth €74,000 a year, is good value for money either.
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The pension PRSI part Is Purples own doing He cannot blame public servant because he and other private sector workers allow the situation to go on where the Public servants PRSI contributions are guaranteed and his is not is down to the purples of the private sector ,

If the private sector paying PRSI A1 start looking to get the same deal as public service PRSI A1 payees, we would have no strike because provisions would have to be put in place to meet there pension in the future so there would be no money grab by one sector at the expense of another sector,

Happy retirement to all you future private sector workers insist your prsi buys the same pension as public servants workers would be a better use of your time than complaining about public servants,
 
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RETIRED2017 said:
Happy retirement to all you future private sector workers insist your prsi buys the same pension as public servants workers would be a better use of your time than complaining about public servants,
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By 2050 all taxes received by the State from all sources will be required to meet projected State pension liabilities.
Nurses, Gardai and all State employees should, in the words of a friend of mine who works in HR in the public sector, "just shut up, keep their heads down and be grateful."
 
Deiseblue said:
Unfortunately none of the publications you referred to address the reasons behind the current industrial dispute.
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The reason for the strikes is simple - greed. The nurses, through their unions, took the money on offer last year and now they want more. "So, eh, John over there went to like college for 4 years and so did I. So, like, his wages are more than mine so I want more money; parity the union rep calls it. And of course more money will make me eh, like, show up for work more often than I did before getting the extra wages. And look after them eh, patients I think they're called, a bit better", to paraphrase a nurse interviewed on the wireless yesterday.

I heard a union rep for the nurses say that nurses are "distraught" at being on the picket lines. A TV news clip from outside a hospital showed nurses in high spirits, smiling, chatting animatedly to each other and apparently, based on the evidence of the film, having a great old time for themselves.

I have been told that the action by "management" in cancelling scheduled procedures is a PR exercise and a dastardly conspiracy between the twin evils of the HSE and Government. This is allegedly designed to cast nurses and their union in a bad light. If it's true how silly are the nurses to provide them with such wonderful material! As Anne Doyle said on the Joe Show, "Go back to work, negotiate." Me paraphrasing again. You can't be seen to back down? Maybe, just maybe, you'd be seen as caring, professional, mature, compassionate. And as a people who honour contracts. As @Leo said above, I believe the tide is beginning to turn against the strikes and the effects on those vulnerable people who are suffering the consequences.

I hear nurses and their unions blame the HSE and "the system" As @Purple I think said above nurses are a massive part of the HSE and "the system" and in fact nurses contribute to running "the system". 37,000 nurses out of a total of 104,000 HSE employees (WTEs or real people, use which number suits your own particular case) but 36% of any system is a giant lump of the "the system".
 
Mathepac - I am very sorry about the impact of this strike on your grandson and your family. I wish you all well. Undoubtedly, there must be very many others similarly "collaterally damaged". I have been visiting an elderly neighbour in hospital recently and frankly am less than impressed by the service delivery (sorry: don't have time to elaborate.....need to do my own job).

Purple - many excellent observations. Would you mind elaborating/explaining what you mean precisely by this and/or provide the relevant link please?

Purple said:
By 2050 all taxes received by the State from all sources will be required to meet projected State pension liabilities.
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You can sense the panic in Government circles as they try to involve either the WRC or the Labour Court in the dispute although their cackhanded efforts to involve the WRC without contacting the INMO defies belief.
Given the public opprobrium concerning the cost over run on the children’s hospital , huge public support for the nurses as acknowledged by Mr. Varadkar , positive supportive media coverage and the acknowledged staffing shortages it appears if the nurses remain strong then the question of both staffing and pay will be addressed.
Having stood on three picket lines in my time I can say that the levels of togetherness and bonhomie are huge and the craic is mighty- no need for dour faces.
I’m not in Waterford currently but if the strikes continue I will certainly join friends on the picket line , old friends and newer friends made during my late father’s last illness- wonderful dedicated people
 
It's great to see that you do fully believe in some things that Varadkar says! Of course, just the comment from him that suit your ideology!

The 'positive media coverage' is a given for practically any public sector strike.
 
Delboy said:
It's great to see that you do fully believe in some things that Varadkar says! Of course, just the comment from him that suit your ideology!

The 'positive media coverage' is a given for practically any public sector strike.
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You are not going to get anywhere while you mix up ideology and sectional interest ,
 
When the man is right , the man is right.
I also believe that his stance on Brexit is right.
He’s not the Great Satan
 
elacsaplau said:
Purple - many excellent observations. Would you mind elaborating/explaining what you mean precisely by this and/or provide the relevant link please?
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More here.
If we funded our State pensions, rather that paying for them from current taxation, we would need to have €440 billion in that fund to cover our liabilities. Yes, our pension liability is more than twice the size of our national debt.
In order to make it sustainable we need to reduce all State pensions, including the old age pension, by 35%.
If you are under 30 work on the assumption that you won't get a State pension. Yet another thing that pensioners have done to their grandchildren.
 
Purple said:
I don't think average Garda pay of €72,000 per year, plus €36,000 worth of pension contributions for a package worth €108,000 a year, is good value for money.
I don't think that average nurses pay of €57,600 a year, plus €18,000 worth of pension contributions for a package worth €74,000 a year, is good value for money either.
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I see your link for the pensions, not great, a company which sells pensions trying to scare people into more savings.

Have you a link for the average Garda pay, average nurse pay figures.
 
I heard a nurse on RTE 9 o'clock news last night comparing their stance to that of Rosa Parks. I don't know whether it's more offensive \ delusional or ignorant.
 
odyssey06 said:
I heard a nurse on RTE 9 o'clock news last night comparing their stance to that of Rosa Parks. I don't know whether it's more offensive \ delusional or ignorant.
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Yea, Rosa wasn't Front Line Staff, how dare that nurse reduce their struggle to the petty level of the Civil Rights movement in the American South in the 1960's. This is much more important and fundamental than where you could sit on a bus, this is about NURSES!!!
 
Purple said:
Yea, Rosa wasn't Front Line Staff, how dare that nurse reduce their struggle to the petty level of the Civil Rights movement in the American South in the 1960's. This is much more important and fundamental than where you could sit on a bus, this is about NURSES!!!
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This is about people taking advantage of people who think the know it all but don't , very easy to pull the wool over there eyes and always will be

Long term the only thing they will own is the requirement in law to pay for the undertakings given to make good on contracts entered into ,

It is the so called well paid smart people who will finish up paying for all this in the end,

When this is finished high earners will forget and blame the people on low income wages who are required to keep Ireland running day in day out ,
 
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odyssey06 said:
I heard a nurse on RTE 9 o'clock news last night comparing their stance to that of Rosa Parks. I don't know whether it's more offensive \ delusional or ignorant.
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A few of them also spoke about taking this action for the patients, but then all went on to just talk about how they wanted more money as if that somehow has a direct bearing on patient outcomes.
 
Leo said:
A few of them also spoke about taking this action for the patients, but then all went on to just talk about how they wanted more money as if that somehow has a direct bearing on patient outcomes.
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We Will have to wait and see if the money part works,;)
 
There are 37,520 Full Time Equivalent directly employed nurses and midwives working for the HSE.
How many actual nurses and midwives are there? In other words how many nurses work part time?

Is there really a shortage of nurses or is there really just a shortage of nurses willing to work a full week?
 
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