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So your message for the remaining communities of nuns in Ireland who wear similar headgear is? Do you get outraged every time RTE show the nuns going out to vote at election time?
So your message for the remaining communities of nuns in Ireland who wear similar headgear is? Do you get outraged every time RTE show the nuns going out to vote at election time?All
Yes indeed. All the more reason not to re-import it via the practces of probably the most oppressive, homophobic and misogynistic religious culture on the planet.
We have Muslim nuns?So your message for the remaining communities of nuns in Ireland who wear similar headgear is? Do you get outraged every time RTE show the nuns going out to vote at election time?
They were brainwashed into dedicating their lives to an invisible sky fairy so it's a shame to see such wasted potential but if they leave they won't be beaten by their families of ostracised and they weren't forced into it in the first place. That said Christianity, after it was taken over and turned into the State religion of Rome, was extremely oppressive of women and minorities. When it was able it was far more oppressive than Islam ever was. It is only as society has become more secular that Christianity has had to adapt to a more enlightened and moral world view.So your message for the remaining communities of nuns in Ireland who wear similar headgear is? Do you get outraged every time RTE show the nuns going out to vote at election time?
Oh, I get it now. It's not actually about wearing a scarf that you have a problem. It's just with any representation of Muslim religion as a normal choice, which it obviously is for millions of people around the world, and many people in ireland.We have Muslim nuns?
Religion generally is more than a bit foolish so the more silly habits to add to it (see what I did there), the more foolish it becomes.Oh, I get it now. It's not actually about wearing a scarf that you have a problem. It's just with any representation of Muslim religion as a normal choice, which it obviously is for millions of people around the world, and many people in ireland.
I'd broadly agree with you, though if people want to make personal choices to practice any religion, that's up to them. If they want to wear a habit or a hijab, that's up to them. I don't see anything wrong with RTE covering the perspective of some of those who wear it.Religion generally is more than a bit foolish so the more silly habits to add to it (see what I did there), the more foolish it becomes.
Teaching women to be submissive to men from the time they are children and then presenting their submissiveness as a choice is, to me, more than a bit distasteful.
Given the stance of every Abrahamic religion on things like divorce and homosexuality I find it hard to understand how anyone with an iota of morality can be involved with any of them.
I'm all for a new Bank Holiday but I won't be calling it after the mythical makey-up appropriation of a Celtic Goddess by a oppressive cult that plunged Europe into the Dark Ages, burned people alive and more recently facilitated the rape and abuse of children and is still an advocate for the oppression of women and minorities.
Nonsense. If people want to believe in deities appearing to an illiterate desert warlord and disclosing the one true faith to him, and paradise, and djinns, and winged horses ascending into heaven, well fair enough. It's on a similar level of objective implausibility as the virgin birth, the Assumption, Joseph Smith's golden book of Mormon (now conveniently lost), Hindu reincarnation, the tenets of ancient sun worshipping civilization and those Pacific Islanders who thought Britain's Prince Philip was a God. (BTW what do they make of his recent death, I wonder?)Oh, I get it now. It's not actually about wearing a scarf that you have a problem. It's just with any representation of Muslim religion as a normal choice, which it obviously is for millions of people around the world, and many people in ireland.
How very Catholic of you.Ireland only has 4 canonised saints, Malachy, Oliver Plunket, Lawerence O'Toole and Charles of Mount Argus.
All the rest are not "official" saints
Eastern, Oriental or Celtic Orthodox?How very Catholic of you.
The Orthodox Church recognises many other Irish Saints, including, Columba, Columbanus and indeed Brigid of Kildare.
People's Orthodox Front of Judea?Eastern, Oriental or Celtic Orthodox?
Splitters.People's Orthodox Front of Judea?
Nonsense. If people want to believe in deities appearing to an illiterate desert warlord and disclosing the one true faith to him, and paradise, and djinns, and winged horses ascending into heaven, well fair enough. It's on a similar level of objective implausibility as the virgin birth, the Assumption, Joseph Smith's golden book of Mormon (now conveniently lost), Hindu reincarnation, the tenets of ancient sun worshipping civilization and those Pacific Islanders who thought Britain's Prince Philip was a God. (BTW what do they make of his recent death, I wonder?)
Religious beliefs, as such, are relatively harmless and are essentially a private matter. Problem is when religions start dictating to everyone else how society should be organised and what you are allowed do, say and even believe. At various times in history, different religions have topped the oppression charts. A few centuries ago it was Christianity and the Inquisition. Things have moved on however!
It's equivalent today is political Islam. Death penalty for homosexuals and apostates. Severe penalties for blasphemers. Intolerance of or outlawing public profession of other religions. Savage oppression of women including the imposition of severe restrictions on their choice of dress. The hijab is emblematic of this oppression - imposed by force of law in many Islamic societies, and by force of patriarchal coercion and societal expectations elsewhere. Why RTE would want to "normalise" this, yet alone celebrate it as some sort of free choice is absolutely beyond me.
It is equally beyond me why many on the left who regard themselves as "progressive" and who get stuck into Catholicism at the slightest opportunity, will totally ignore the far more oppressive nature of political Islam.
Political Islam is the attempted application of Islam in civil laws.I don't know what exactly is meant by 'political Islam'.
Secularised Islam is as safe as secularised Christianity, just as fundamentalist Islam is just as dangerous as fundamentals Christianity.I didn't hear those schoolgirls on RTE calling for death penalty for homosexuals and apostates, or severe penalties for blasphemers or outlawing public profession of other religions. They certainly didn't come across as savagely oppressed to me. They seemed quite confident, literate and clear about why they choose to wear a hijab.
I strongly object to the Angelus on RTE (or "The Bongs" as we call it in my house) but I rarely watch RTE so I avoid seeing it. If it comes on the TV or radio I change the channel. If they played the Islamic call to prayer I'd also object.Do you explode in rage every time the Angelus appears on RTE?
Ever heard of the concepts of Islamic Republic or (the) Caliphate? That's political Islam for you.I don't know what exactly is meant by 'political Islam'.
Imagine never feeling the wind in your hair. Never able to cycle at speed downhill or dive in the sea on a hot summer day. And wearing your permanent badge of second class citizenship because your freeflowing hair might inflame the passions of men. And you think this is an ok thing? Right, I see.I didn't hear those schoolgirls on RTE calling for death penalty for homosexuals and apostates, or severe penalties for blasphemers or outlawing public profession of other religions. They certainly didn't come across as savagely oppressed to me.
Yes, choice, eh? Wonder what familial, community or religious pressures combined to produce that choice? And what might be the consequences if they "chose" not to wear hijab. Not perhaps a savage beating from the religious police as would befall their sisters in Iran, but severe disapproval from family and community nonetheless.They seemed quite confident, literate and clear about why they choose to wear a hijab.
If there was somebody trying to force me to get on my knees and pray the Angelus, yeah, I would to be sure. But there isn't, so I'll just grab 60 seconds of headlines on another channel and switch to RTE at 6:01 - problem solved.Do you explode in rage every time the Angelus appears on RTE?
You didn't think about switching channel when the National Hijab Day clip came on RTE, no?If there was somebody trying to force me to get on my knees and pray the Angelus, yeah, I would to be sure. But there isn't, so I'll just grab 60 seconds of headlines on another channel and switch to RTE at 6:01 - problem solved.
If people want to know what Europe was like in the Middle Ages they should read up on how ISIS ruled.Ever heard of the concepts of Islamic Republic or (the) Caliphate? That's political Islam for you.
Brainwashing is a terrible thing. I remember my Grandmother bitterly recalling how she had to be "Churched" after giving birth before she could receive Communion. Christianity also treats women as second class people.Imagine never feeling the wind in your hair. Never able to cycle at speed downhill or dive in the sea on a hot summer day. And wearing your permanent badge of second class citizenship because your freeflowing hair might inflame the passions of men. And you think this is an ok thing? Right, I see.
My daughter was friends with a lovely kid through most of Primary School but now that she's 13 and "a woman" (in that she's menstruated) she is all covered up and doesn't play with her non Muslim friends any more.Yes, choice, eh? Wonder what familial, community or religious pressures combined to produce that choice? And what might be the consequences if they "chose" not to wear hijab. Not perhaps a savage beating from the religious police as would befall their sisters in Iran, but severe disapproval from family and community nonetheless.
Or just get the headlines from your phone and avoid the slow monotone painful formulaic predictable style from RTE.If there was somebody trying to force me to get on my knees and pray the Angelus, yeah, I would to be sure. But there isn't, so I'll just grab 60 seconds of headlines on another channel and switch to RTE at 6:01 - problem solved.
Women can also do both in long skirts and corsets but thankfully they aren't expected to do so any more because requiring that sort of thing is disgustingly oppressive.Dunno where you got the idea that you can't swim or cycle in a hijab?
Are you implying that men can't also do this?Women can also do both in long skirts and corsets
They can indeed but they were never required to.Are you implying that men can't also do this?
Seems very narrow minded to me...