Key Post Nevin Institute: " low paid pay more tax"

Deiseblue said:
Hopefully not only will this report inform in terms of the coming budget but will segue neatly into the deliberations of the low pay commission & further into negotiations on partially restoring pay cuts in the Public Sector & pay increases in the Private Sector.
Click to expand...

Pay increases in the private sector have to be based on a corresponding increase in the value of the employee in question. The best way to increase net pay is to reduce taxes on work.
 
Deiseblue said:
Hopefully not only will this report inform in terms of the coming budget but will segue neatly into the deliberations of the low pay commission & further into negotiations on partially restoring pay cuts in the Public Sector & pay increases in the Private Sector.
Click to expand...


This is the precise goal of NERI, to quell public demand for tax cuts and thus facilitate a policy switch to pay hikes in the public sector.

It won't work. The tax burden on ordinary people is crippling and they are seething.
 
Deiseblue said:
After having time to examine and reflect on the Nevin report the general approbation of same continues in the mainstream media.

The Irish Times in it's editorial headed " Tax and Fairness " opines that when the Government meets to consider taxation and spending measures in the coming budget - " The work of Dr Michael Collins of the Nevin Economic Research Institute may inform Government deliberations in that regard. "

Thomas Molloy in the indo states " It may be funded by the trade unions but the researchers are serious and trying hard to throw some light on parts of the economy that are often poorly understood "

Mr Molloy does point out that the ESRI findings in this regard are fundamentally different but that " The International Monetary Fund has also questioned the idea that the middle class is bearing the brunt of the financial crisis "

Hopefully not only will this report inform in terms of the coming budget but will segue neatly into the deliberations of the low pay commission & further into negotiations on partially restoring pay cuts in the Public Sector & pay increases in the Private Sector.
Click to expand...

Mr Molloy also says
Another, and perhaps more important, caveat is that the study does not seem to take any account of benefits paid to the poor. Can somebody receiving free medical care and rent allowance really be said to pay any tax even if they do pay some taxes in the shape of VAT and excise duty?
When considerations such as these are excluded in calculations, it is difficult to place too much faith in the conclusions but that is not a criticism of the Nevin Institute
Click to expand...

Just for the full picture, like!
 
T McGibney said:
This is the precise goal of NERI, to quell public demand for tax cuts and thus facilitate a policy switch to pay hikes in the public sector.

It won't work. The tax burden on ordinary people is crippling and they are seething.
Click to expand...
I think sadly it will work, the people who decide tax policy stand to benefit.

A report a few years ago into deciding if higher paid public servants were overpaid found that they were paid reasonably compared to a select group of well off countries if higher Irish tax rates were taken into account.

The demented implication was that public pay levels can take into account taxation, well high taxation at least.

The last thing a lot well placed people want is a decrease in taxes that benefits every worker in the country. Not when they can target that money towards themselves.
 
T McGibney said:
This is the precise goal of NERI, to quell public demand for tax cuts and thus facilitate a policy switch to pay hikes in the public sector.

It won't work. The tax burden on ordinary people is crippling and they are seething.
Click to expand...

With the Fempi act due to expire in 2016 , with a General election in the current Government's collective minds & a promise by Mr. Howlin to negotiate on a part reversal of the pay cuts & most of all due to the fact that the Government are constantly espousing the fact that the future is rosy I believe that the pressure to partially restore pay cuts is overwhelming.

Soon people may seethe but the vast majority are accepting as recent history has proved.
 
Politicians are advised by the very Public Servants who will benefit from the Trade Union's propaganda office release. Those officials are themselves unionised. The Unions are a large voting block. The general public don't stand a chance. That's the way it is and that's the way it has been since the Unions subverted the democratic process through the Socialist Partnership process.
 
Deiseblue said:
I believe that the pressure to partially restore pay cuts is overwhelming.

Soon people may seethe but the vast majority are accepting as recent history has proved.
Click to expand...

If the political establishment go down this road and ignore the seething resentment against oppressive taxation, they will reap a bitter electoral and social harvest.
 
T McGibney said:
If the political establishment go down this road and ignore the seething resentment against oppressive taxation, they will reap a bitter electoral and social harvest.
Click to expand...

I think there will be 2 lanes to that road - there will be slight adjustments to taxation & modest restoration of pay & of course if FF & Sinn Fein are the winners in any fortcoming election then those parties relationship with Unions has always been cordial - plus ca change !

There is already a precedent in the semi states , I think I'm right in thinking that Bus Eireann workers are to have their pay restored shortly.

I do think you are overstating the seething resentment re current taxation policies - a reluctant acceptance perhaps ?
 
Purple said:
The Nevin Institute is the propaganda office of the Trade Union movement, nothing more.

It is deeply disturbing that RTE in particular do not challenge or highlight their agenda as they do, for example, when introducing representatives of the Iona Institute who is routinely referred to as a conservative right-wing think tank (which is what it is). Why is the Nevin Institute not introduced on RTE as an ultra-left wing Trade Union lobby group/think tank? They are far freer with the facts that the people from the Iona Institute.
Click to expand...

Hi Purple

I heard it being introduced as a think thank funded by the Trade Unions on at least one occasion.

I emailed RTE about their response to the report and, as a result (?), they had Séamus Coffey on Morning Ireland this morning responding to it.

My main problem with the coverage, is that they all treated it as gospel.


I am writing a piece for the Sindo which, hopefully, will debunk it.


Brendan
 
Brendan Burgess said:
Hi Purple

I heard it being introduced as a think thank funded by the Trade Unions on at least one occasion.

I emailed RTE about their response to the report and, as a result (?), they had Séamus Coffey on Morning Ireland this morning responding to it.

My main problem with the coverage, is that they all treated it as gospel.


I am writing a piece for the Sindo which, hopefully, will debunk it.


Brendan
Click to expand...

With all due respect to your expertise Brendan I hardly think your inside piece is likely to unduly alter the positive perception of the Nevin report in the media to date - challenge perhaps but debunk may possibly be overstating what you can achieve particularly as the headlines have been written & they have indeed treated the report as gospel

I will of course read your piece with interest !
 
Deiseblue said:
With all due respect to your expertise Brendan I hardly think your inside piece is likely to unduly alter the positive perception of the Nevin report in the media to date - challenge perhaps but debunk may possibly be overstating what you can achieve particularly as the headlines have been written & they have indeed treated the report as gospel

I will of course read your piece with interest !
Click to expand...

When it's noisy with people shouting with forked tongue's there's still no reason not to speak the truth.
 
Hi Deise

OK, maybe "debunk" is too strong a word. But I will challenge it.

Am I being too optimistic to think that journalists reading the article, may be more skeptical in future?

brendan
 
Brendan Burgess said:
I heard it being introduced as a think thank funded by the Trade Unions on at least one occasion.
Click to expand...
It's not just funded by them. That would imply some level of independence.
It is a creature of the trade unions, a minion, a tentacle, a mouth piece ... (I'd go on but I don't want to appear biased ;)).
 
Here is the Irish Times piece:

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/tax-and-fairness-1.1911025
The work of Dr [broken link removed] of the [broken link removed] may inform Government deliberations in that regard. His research found that, when all taxes – direct and indirect – are taken into account, the very wealthiest and the very poorest households surrender thirty per cent of their gross incomes to the Exchequer. The so-called “squeezed middle” are not so squeezed after all. In spite of well-articulated complaints, they pay less than 20 per cent of gross incomes. Reducing the impact of indirect taxes on welfare recipients may not be politically attractive, when compared to income tax cuts for those at work, but a fair Budget should pay attention to this issue.
Click to expand...
 
Seán Whelan, RTE's Economics Correspondent has written a blog piece about it which is far more challenging and quotes Séamus Coffey and me extensively.

[broken link removed]
 
NERI don't care about being wrong and don't care about challenges.

They're simply trying to get some trade union spin in early for the budget. What the unions are saying is the same as the poster Deiseblue in this tread except not as honestly, don't even think of reducing income tax because they can increase public sector salaries instead. the last thing the peculiar Irish version of socialism wants is to help all workers.

Notably their internet sites don't seem to allow comments. http://www.nerinstitute.net/blog/ https://www.facebook.com/nerinstitute .
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top