That's really what it comes down to. I do accept the good faith of our elected leaders, other than the Shinners and they are more prone to support people like Putin so they won't be joining NATO.Spot on.
Unfortunately I do not accept the good faith of those in Irish politics who would have us buy our own dog and shotgun.
I think that's a massive leap and a completely groundless concern.Tony Blair offered George W Bush a blank cheque in support of the invasion of Iraq. I would not trust the Irish politics class not to be even more willing to do so.
I love dogs and while I don't like guns I accept that their ownership is sometimes necessary.I don't like dogs or shotguns and I think a home invasion is unlikely.
America invades Iraq, bad, we should not be involved.We are tangentially involved in most wars, just like everyone else.
Should we say no to all the American FDI that pays for our hospitals, schools and very generous welfare system?
You say Unionists are no less Irish than you.Yes, my mistake, it was O'Connell.
His Irishness was within a broader British identity, just like the Unionists in NI. Their Irishness is very different to mine but nonetheless they are no less Irish than me.
We take a cut of the profits that many of their companies made from the invasion of Iraq.America invades Iraq, bad, we should not be involved.
America manufactures medical devices, pharmaceuticals, iPhones, good, happy for us to be involved.
The would say they are British Subjects/Citizens but they are Irish, just like Welsh people are Welsh and British.You say Unionists are no less Irish than you.
That is you speaking for them, many of them would not agree with you. Many of them would say that they are not Irish.
Yes, he is an interesting fellow.Doug Beattie leader of the UUP and former British soldier (I follow him on twitter, a very interesting chap) is emphatic that he is Irish as well as British. He is clear that in the event of Irish reunification he would remain living here.
She still says she's Irish but within the context of being British. I'm from Dublin but I'm also Irish. That's the way most Unionists see it and have for hundreds of years.Arlene Foster on the other hand takes a different view, in the event of the people of NI voting for a United Ireland she says that she would leave Ireland.
Arlene's party gets a lot more votes than Doug's.
I really don't think that is the way most Unionists see it these days.The would say they are British Subjects/Citizens but they are Irish, just like Welsh people are Welsh and British.
Yes, he is an interesting fellow.
She still says she's Irish but within the context of being British. I'm from Dublin but I'm also Irish. That's the way most Unionists see it and have for hundreds of years.
Not being part of a military alliance with a history of wars of aggression is a positive moral choice in my opinion.This seems to be meandering, I dont follow. What is the moral aspect of neutrality?
In my opinion our support for Ukrainian refugees is a positive moral position.Ukraine was neutral, then invaded, why is the moral position to be neutral?
These two statements directly contradict each other, IMO. The interests of the state are not only internal. It is also a diminution of the capacity of the state to contribute to global peace and security, in general.
Post of the thread !That's really what it comes down to. I do accept the good faith of our elected leaders, other than the Shinners
Let us develop the analogy. The bungalow is in fact in the middle of the country estate, far removed from the external forces that threaten the estate's very way of life. It has really not much going for it but its occupants have educated themselves well and do very nicely indeed from the estate. Now it is a tad galling that the Head of the bungalow lectures the estate on the conduct of its defence. He even goes further and eulogises sworn enemies of the estate on their demise. And he is not alone. Quite a few of the inhabitants of that bungalow indulge themselves in these virtue wallowings.We are like a small bungalow in the country living next door to a much bigger house with very good security, thereby acting as a deterrent from breaking into us. This is, IMO, a discussion about us buying a dog, installing some CCTV and getting a padlock for the front gates.
Or a more humdrum analogy. The groundskeeper keeps pests from the bungalow's land, pests the bungalow doesn't have to deal with and wouldn't be able to. And lectures the groundskeeper for having blood on his hands.Let us develop the analogy. The bungalow is in fact in the middle of the country estate, far removed from the external forces that threaten the estate's very way of life. It has really not much going for it but its occupants have educated themselves well and do very nicely indeed from the estate. Now it is a tad galling that the Head of the bungalow lectures the estate on the conduct of its defence. He even goes further and eulogises sworn enemies of the estate on their demise. And he is not alone. Quite a few of the inhabitants of that bungalow indulge themselves in these virtue wallowings.
Not being part of a military alliance with a history of wars of aggression is a positive moral choice in my opinion.
In my opinion our support for Ukrainian refugees is a positive moral position.
The state must act in the interests of the country, not as global policeman.
Of course not. What I said was a military alliance with a history of wars of aggression.Not being part of an alliance is not a moral position in and of itself.
Talking about Irelands response to Ukrainian refugees is misdirection ?Misdirection. What of the citizens that are are IDPs, defenders or those that couldn't leave?
From misdirection to disingenuous ! Indeed.Disingenuous of course. Nobody thinks our interest is to be global policeman, but we do have an interest in global peace and security.
Of course not. What I said was a military alliance with a history of wars of aggression.
Talking about Irelands response to Ukrainian refugees is misdirection ?
I’m not trying to change you’re mind. I’m trying to understand your point of view?I think I have been clear that I am glad Ireland is supporting Ukraine, I don't think that support should include military support. You may not agree but you are going to have to live with that.
Mind you, looked at from Michael D's perspective, everyone must seem like a giant.He even had the audacity to issue a statement as President on behalf of the people of Ireland when his hero Castro died saying that he was "a giant among global leaders whose view was not only one of freedom for his people but for all of the oppressed and excluded peoples on the planet". It takes a special kind if ideological blindness to the facts to believe that.
Ah, the arrogance of the left! They really believe they are not just correct but morally superior to the right. Such beliefs are like religion - completely impervious to facts and data. Environmentalism is similar except it displays even higher levels of priggish self-righteousness and self-indulgence. Naturally Higgins is onboard there too.Creighton points out the Higgins belongs in the same category as Trump and the Brexiteers when it comes to his opposition to facts and data that run counter to his archaic extremist political beliefs.
Any chance you could cut and paste?For anyone with a subscription Lucinda Creighton wrote a superb piece on Micky D's behaviour.....
@Purple. This is the company you are keeping.Mind you, looked at from Michael D's perspective, everyone must seem like a giant.
Ah, the arrogance of the left! They really believe they are not just correct but morally superior to the right. Such beliefs are like religion - completely impervious to facts and data. Environmentalism is similar except it displays even higher levels of priggish self-righteousness and self-indulgence. Naturally Higgins is onboard there too.
A Micky D fan, then? Why?@Purple. This is the company you are keeping.
That's the great thing about free speech and being guided by data rather than dogma, you get to agree on some topics and disagree on others.@Purple. This is the company you are keeping.
He's a pseudo intellectual hypocrite and has a history of supporting extremists, terrorists, murderers and those who oppose democracy, but possibly worst of all he's a man bereft of humility.A Micky D fan, then? Why?
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