Isn't it strange how the firstly/secondly/thirdly downsides of the pension levy don't get much airtime? .
I wasn't aware 'I' was suddenly 'the Government'.
They should study ICTU's ten point plan and get back into talks to ensure that the ordinary workers do not carry the entire can through job losses, pay cuts and levies while the wealthy, including bankers and developers escape unscathed. This would require significant input from tax experts, economists etc who are far better qualified than 'I' to work out the fine details. Like everyone else, I am just intelligent enough to realise that there is something very wrong about the ordinary man on the street suffering while the people who caused the problem appear to be getting off scot free. I don't mind 'sharing the pain' if it gets the country back on its feet, I do mind the fact that some people seem to be hogging all the painkillers and leaving the rest of us to suffer.
No, if they dare to hit the PS with two cuts when everyone else gets hit with one, we'll show them the error of their ways.
Its amazing how people would adjust if everyone took their fair share of pain...
...Surely the dole could be cut by 50 euros a week to 150 euros.....it wasn`t that long ago that it was about that amount.Also the other forms of welfare like pensioners and carers etc could take a similiar cut....The minimum wage will have to be reduced as well,down to about 5 euros.Then we can have benchmarking looking down,instead of everyone trying to match the salaries above them. ...I propse a 90% tax on evry gov pension on the balance above 50,000.
This is exactly why it is essential that additional revenue requirements are raised through the tax system. If you are earning more, you pay more. If you are earning less, you pay less.I must have imagined all those pay cuts happening in the private sector.
When taxes are raised, this will be a second cut for many.
So you have no idea if what ICTU is claiming is possible or not, you are just repeating their talking points? If you take even 5 minutes to look at the figures you'll quickly realise that it's not possible. I could outline why if you don't believe me.
I have heard David Begg (a director of the Central Bank for years BTW) say that their plan is more about "fairness" than anything else, basically admitting that their 10 point plan is next to useless in closing the deficitThe plan is being presented to get the Government back into talks. David Begg has said himself that its not perfect but is the best that can be offered in the absence of any coherent plan from Government. And this is what we need. A coherent, objective plan with input from all parties including opposing political parties ie putting the economy before votes. At present the Govt is still indulging its cronyism tendencies. The appointment of Richie Boucher is proof of that.
Bankers and developers should be responsible for their actions. If they committed crimes they should be punished according to the law. No more no less. If the companies they worked for has made huge losses on the back of their actions, the company owners or shareholders should demand their resignation. However as I am neither a shareholder or owner of a bank I am not in a position to demand anything of them. If the government is coming in to support the banks with my tax money I expect to see the required changes in management to ensure the guys who made this mess do not get rewarded for it or are not involved with the running of the banks in the future. This is the governments responsibilty (god help us)Out of curiosity, are you saying bankers and developers shouldn't have to pay for their recklessness with our money?
Congratulations on putting two and two together to get two hundred and seventeen. Let's hope the dept finance guys are better at their sums than you.I have heard David Begg (a director of the Central Bank for years BTW) say that their plan is more about "fairness" than anything else, basically admitting that their 10 point plan is next to useless in closing the deficit
Congratulations on putting two and two together to get two hundred and seventeen. Let's hope the dept finance guys are better at their sums than you.
For how many will it be a second cut?When taxes are raised, this will be a second cut for many.
OK - let me be less obtuse.Petty insults like this just makes you look foolish. Your post makes little sense in the context of this discussion
Can you please clarify how you came to the conclusion that the 10-point plan is 'next to useless' from his comment regarding fairness? There is no logical connection between the two.I have heard David Begg (a director of the Central Bank for years BTW) say that their plan is more about "fairness" than anything else, basically admitting that their 10 point plan is next to useless in closing the deficit
Congratulations on putting two and two together to get two hundred and seventeen. Let's hope the dept finance guys are better at their sums than you.
Good analysis of the pensions levy from two Trinity academics at http://www.tascnet.ie/upload/public_service_pension_levy_1.pdf
I wasn't aware 'I' was suddenly 'the Government'.
They should study ICTU's ten point plan and get back into talks to ensure that the ordinary workers do not carry the entire can through job losses, pay cuts and levies while the wealthy, including bankers and developers escape unscathed. This would require significant input from tax experts, economists etc who are far better qualified than 'I' to work out the fine details. Like everyone else, I am just intelligent enough to realise that there is something very wrong about the ordinary man on the street suffering while the people who caused the problem appear to be getting off scot free. I don't mind 'sharing the pain' if it gets the country back on its feet, I do mind the fact that some people seem to be hogging all the painkillers and leaving the rest of us to suffer.
Are you sure you aren't a part owner of Anglo Irish?However as I am neither a shareholder or owner of a bank
It was a Matt Cooper interview, on each point he was challenged as to how much tax revenue it would raise, on each occasion he claimed that it was more about fairness and he couldn't specify how much it would raise.. You can go and download their [broken link removed], but it's basically a summary of their talking points that you will hear in any David Begg interview. In it they mention the standard tax levies on "wealthy" people etc. but there isn't a single indication of how much tax revenues their plan will raise.Can you please clarify how you came to the conclusion that the 10-point plan is 'next to useless' from his comment regarding fairness? There is no logical connection between the two.
True, I forgot about that unfortunate purchase.Are you sure you aren't a part owner of Anglo Irish?
For how many will it be a second cut?
No, if they dare to hit the PS with two cuts when everyone else gets hit with one, we'll show them the error of their ways.
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