Brendan
First of all, I want to apologise for some of my earlier comments. I was too sharp in my replies to you in relation to your use of the word "insolvent" and your doubts about whether people would be happy to pay more than €100 for €100 "worth" of assets. My views on both are unchanged, but I was wrong to react so strongly. Sorry. Part of my problem is that I have invested so much emotionally in these proposals. Anyway, let's put all that behind us.
Responding to your latest comments, in much the same order as you made them:
In addition you require a change in Solvency II
I'm not seeking any change in the
principles underlying Solvency II, i.e. that financial institutions should be able to withstand extremely severe adverse financial conditions. The S2 principles refer to 1 in 200 ruin probability, but in reality they want a much lower ruin probability. I'm saying that the calculations in Section 12, and the earlier analysis (particularly Section 8) indicate that the proposed scheme will have a significantly lower probability of ruin than that deemed acceptable under Solvency II. The only problem is that the Solvency II regulations as currently worded do not allow for a scheme on the lines proposed. The detailed regulations will have to be changed, but not the underlying principles. Greenspan's response to the reporter (mentioned in 12.1) is relevant in this regard.
Furthermore, you are saying that people should join this scheme at age 24 , make scheduled contributions
Under Auto-Enrolment, people are free to decide if and when to join, at any age. They can also stop contributing if they want. But if they don't contribute, they lose the employer's and the state's contribution. So, for every €100 someone contributes, their account grows by €233 (€100 from employer and €33 from the state). I'm assuming that they will act intelligently.
and (scheduled) withdrawals, and you allow them no flexibility at all to deal with what life throws at them. ( This is the one aspect of your proposal which I have the biggest problem with.)
One of my catchphrases in an earlier version of these proposals (which I didn't repeat in this one, but probably should have ) is "It's a pension, not a piggy-bank". This not a general savings scheme for the rainy day. The state should not subsidise people saving for a rainy day. This is for when they get old and need to access their savings.
I did include a paragraph in the paper to deal with a concern you expressed earlier. In 5.8 I write "Other than in special circumstances, savings remain in the fund until the member's retirement or death". In the footnote, I explain that those "special circumstances" could include a provision allowing members to make withdrawals to help meet the cost of their first home.
Retired members are allowed considerable flexibility in retirement, far more than if they had a DB pension. The annual withdrawal can be between 3% and 8% of account value, (more than 8% over age 80) These percentages are not sacrosanct. That is a very wide range.
Your chances of succeeding would be much higher if you reduced the cognitive load on people.
I am trying to reduce the cognitive load, not increase it. This is primarily aimed at ordinary wage-earners. What they have will look just like a bank or credit union account, with 'interest' credited each month. Taking the example of 6.12, an employee who joined on 1 January 2020, paying €100 a month, would see €233 in their account immediately (see above as to how the €100 becomes €233). They will then be credited with 'interest' of 0.28% in January. Another €233 will be added to their account in February when they pay another €100 (but of course they don't have to pay the €100 that month if they don't want to, but then they don't get another €233 added to their account). Interest of 0.18% is added to their full account balance in February, 0.04% in March, etc. I believe that they won't give a hoot how the 0.28% or 0.18% or 0.04% is calculated, other than they're getting more than they would get if they put their money in the bank or credit union. They also know that the employer's money and the government's money is being added to their account, and there are no rip-off front-end charges or policy fees. Complete transparency.
They will know that the 0.28% in January fell to 0.04% in March because market values fell in the period, but they won't be too bothered beyond that, in much the same way that an ordinary saver isn't worried what their credit union is charging borrowers. (Not sure the analogy is completely sound, but let's have a go anyway!).
From a persuasion point of view - contributing 7% a year will not be enough to provide adequate pensions. Highlight this as the problem you are trying to solve.
Remember that this is only for earnings up to €70000. I think that 7% (of which only 3% comes from the employee) will be enough for most people over a full career
IF the returns are as I'm projecting, taking account also of their entitlement to state pension. Higher earners will have to pay more. They can do that through a private pension plan, outside of the AE scheme. Remember that I'm claiming that they will get the same or higher pension for 7% as they would get for 14% under a more conventionally structured scheme.
I won't venture into trying to speculate on whether people would value the sorts of choices you mention towards the end. Personally, I think they would serve to confuse rather than enlighten people. How would a carpenter decide between them? I wouldn't have a clue which to go for, and I think I have a reasonable understanding of investments.
- Allow people to take breaks from contributions
- Allow people to make AVCs - maybe in a separate fund
- Allow people to take more or less than the scheduled withdrawals
1. As I said above, people are not obliged to contribute, they can take a break anytime they want to, but they lose out on €233 for every €100 they choose not to contribute.
2. People can always make AVC's, but not in the AE scheme. That's a service that life assurance companies and pensions consultants and brokers will be happy to provide.
3. As I wrote above, they have considerable flexibility in how much they withdraw. There will have to be a rule preventing them going from (say) 3% to 8% in one fell swoop. They can only do it gradually. That's to preserve the integrity of the smoothing process. It's not a major drawback, especially when compared with a standard pension or an annuity.
I think it's also safer to refrain from commenting on your last two sentences!
Once again, Brendan, my apologies for some of what I wrote earlier. I hope that this response has been more measured and has addressed some possible misunderstandings on your part, particularly in relation to employees being forced to contribute. Maybe I didn't explain myself sufficiently.