Moving From The North To Dublin

[mike123]

I have a very good friend who is from Northern Ireland and as recently split/separated from her husband. She was talking to me about making a new life south of the border which is all fine but she believes that she will have the same rights as any Irish person when it comes to signing on rent allowance etc.
My questions are.
Can she just move down today and sign on and get the dole money?
Can she also claim the rent allowance?
What type if any proof does she need that she has separated from her husband?
I have known her for many years and have told her that this carnet be right, you carnet just move down and claim like this.
So far she has a room to go to who will take rent allowance. Her plan is to sign on get the rent allowance for a few months then find any type of job. And knowing her she will find a job quite quick.
Imp just looking to know if anyone knows if she is right as id hates her to be wasting her time with the move.

 

[nediaaa]

Yes she can provided she has made the proper UK national insurance contributions. The rights can tranfer. I dont believe she will need seperation evidence

 

[mike123]

Yes she can provided she has made the proper UK national insurance contributions. The rights can tranfer. I dont believe she will need seperation evidence

Too be honest, of think she would of made many National Insurance contributions as she was a hose wife foe over 20 years, and the husband was the bread winner. I think she wants to start a new life across the border but i dont think its as easy as she thinks it will be.
I was looking into the laws on this and it seems all uk citizens can move to Ireland and have the same rights as us, And Irish going to uk have the same rights as uk.

 

[gipimann]

She can't claim Rent Supplement unless she's been renting here for 6 of the past 12 months, or has been assessed by the local authority as having a housing need and is on their housing list.

Her National Insurance contributions can only be counted towards a Jobseeker's Benefit claim after she's worked here and paid PRSI contributions.

If she's claiming Jobseeker's payments in NI, she may be able to transfer that claim down south, but she'll be paid at the NI rate not the Irish one.

Evidence of separation would most likely be required for means-tested payments, to ascertain what happened to any assets in NI (e.g. family home, savings), so it would be important to have some documentation (court, solicitor or similar).

 

[mike123]

She can't claim Rent Supplement unless she's been renting here for 6 of the past 12 months, or has been assessed by the local authority as having a housing need and is on their housing list.

Her National Insurance contributions can only be counted towards a Jobseeker's Benefit claim after she's worked here and paid PRSI contributions.

If she's claiming Jobseeker's payments in NI, she may be able to transfer that claim down south, but she'll be paid at the NI rate not the Irish one.

Evidence of separation would most likely be required for means-tested payments, to ascertain what happened to any assets in NI (e.g. family home, savings), so it would be important to have some documentation (court, solicitor or similar).

Not sure if what you say is correct.
Last year my scotish uncle moved to Carlow. He was given rent allowence and claimed the all within 4 weeks.
It seems there no diff between uk and irish citizens when it comes to social welfare.
Ive been reading upon it seems we have a common area and if you uk or irish your classed the same. I never knew this before.
Uk citizens classed diff to EU citizens.
So her moving from the north should be ok,And to be honest thats quite right to.

 

[gipimann]

The rules for Rent Supplement changed in the middle of last year, so your uncle may have been assessed under the older rules.

The "6 month or on the housing list" rule for Rent Supplement applies to everyone.

Here is the information leaflet on Rent Supplement which outlines the qualifying criteria.

[broken link removed]

 

[mike123]

Thanks for that link gipman very interesting read but...

You have been living in private rented accommodation for a period of 183
days within the preceding 12 months at the date of application and you
were in a position to pay the rent at the commencement of the tenancy.
Time spent living in accommodation for homeless persons or in an
institution can also be taken into account.

That part is very vague and if you can prove you need the rent allowance i believe they will have to pay it.Ive been reading up on uk Irish laws etc and any uk person is in fact like us in law social welfare etc.They are a Irish citizen all but in passport.So if a UK citizen came here with out a penny then no matter what they would have to pay rent allowance and all social welfare payments we was to get.
Since i started looking into this ive found it so interesting how our 2 countries seem to allow us to pack up and move with out even a passport.
So the 6 month law is really a bit of nothing in real terms.
The law is very vague and sketchy,but in real terms the only diff between a UK citizen and Irish Citizen in Ireland is a Uk citizen carnt vote in referendum and thats all.
And visa versa.So a UK citizen carnt be refused social welfare rent allowance if proved they hard up.Ive found this research very interesting, had no idea UK Ireland was so close like this, In a way going to the UK or them coming here is like moving to another city.Very Very interesting.