Most people on the minimum wage are young and living in relatively high income households. There is nobody in the country maintaining a family on the minimum wage. Such people receive significant welfare payments.
"more than 200 restaurants and cafes have shut this year"
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Are you sure about that? It seems rather simplistic and sweeping.
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That is a very good point which I have thought about. If I were a young one would I prefer to work on minimum wage cleaning a hospital or serving tables? Serving tables every time.
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And new places are opening all the time.
I was waiting with anticipation for the opening of a new sandwich shop "Carved" "sandwiches by chefs" on Shelbourne Road. I went in today for a look and the sandwiches were €10.95. I wasn't that hungry.
I will wait until Purple or Gordon invites me to lunch.
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I was waiting with anticipation for the opening of a new sandwich shop "Carved" "sandwiches by chefs" on Shelbourne Road. I went in today for a look and the sandwiches were €10.95. I wasn't that hungry.
I will wait until Purple or Gordon invites me to lunch.
Brendan
You may be waiting a long time, if you are waiting on Gordon to drop his very high standards, and go to a sandwich shop ;-)
Getting back to the point, I agree entirely about younger people, or part time workers, opting for the likes of cafe work. They also have the chance to pick up a few tips from customers, there.
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And learning to deal with difficult customers!
Yes, unless they don't apply for any of the supports the State gives them. I'm positive that they are entitled to a Working Family Payment.
Absolutely, but is it good for the economy or society to have so many people working in jobs that don't create any wealth or provide any essential services?
I notice you didn't say that I have high standards. Sometimes the truth hurts.
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"Restaurants don't create wealth and aren't essential social capital" is a real head scratcher.
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It’s good to see ones ability to self evaluate….
I see a favourite haunt the lovely boulevard cafe on Baggot street has stayed shut since Christmas unfortunately .
There are also shops shutting down on the high street . I see a few vacant slots in Stillorgan shopping centre eg recently the gaming store and dunnes stores shut up shop there
There are also shops shutting down on the high street . I see a few vacant slots in Stillorgan shopping centre eg recently the gaming store and dunnes stores shut up shop there
That's why all the media talking heads were so fixated on the issue of tips and ensuring it goes to waiting staff, that's the only low paid job they would have ever done when younger. They were even questioning why tips should be shared with the chefs and cooks that were the people actually preparing the food
If, as they say 'employment grew by more than 80 per cent between the first quarter of 2012 and the end of last year', perhaps 200 closures is more of a correction?
There has always been a high rate of failures in this particular industry, less than 50% make it past 5 years.
There has always been a high rate of failures in this particular industry, less than 50% make it past 5 years.
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There used to be lots of kids working part time in places like that but now it's quite difficult to employ people under the age of 16 and remain compliant to health and safety and employment legislation. I don't know if that's a factor in cafés and restaurants but where I work we used to take students on for summer jobs etc but we stopped a few years ago when we were told that we have to have specific risk assessments for every risk for people under 18. There are also significant limits on what hours young people can work. That limits their usefulness in restaurants and places which operate in the evenings.
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Cafe Mao has gone in to liquidation.....two weeks after we received a gift voucher for them. (still unused).
We always enjoyed going to their Stillorgan outlet once a month for a nice lunch....lip smackingly good.
Dunnes Stores outlet in the Stillorgan Shopping Centre is now gone also.
Two reasons for me not to travel to Stillorgan now. My few Euro will move elsewhere.
Places we took for granted now gone.
We always enjoyed going to their Stillorgan outlet once a month for a nice lunch....lip smackingly good.
Dunnes Stores outlet in the Stillorgan Shopping Centre is now gone also.
Two reasons for me not to travel to Stillorgan now. My few Euro will move elsewhere.
Places we took for granted now gone.
Perhaps people think minimum wage isn't enough for the work involved.
Perhaps the minimum wage is so high that it's making places close.