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Purple said:
... if you claim within 6 months. Outside that you need to commit fraud to get it.

You know what they say about opinions.
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What do they say about opinions Purple? Was it this one you were thinking of?:

Bigot - a person who is intolerant towards those holding different opinions.
 
Mangojoe and sbarret = nail on head
Cremyegg, purple and leper = 3 peas from the same moral esposing pod

1.Lads she is entitled to this.
2.She was slightly late with her claim through an honest mistake.
3.Social protection have advised her accordingly and she should act on that advice.
4.GP will sign off no probs as they are practical individuals!
5. It isnt fraud, she is late in claiming what she is entitled to. She is just circumventing a rather onerous rule imo, no biggy.

No need to make a mountain out of a mohill and start crying fraud and taking the moral highground. Have the intelligence to look at each case as they arise and judge it on its merits....but not too hastily lads.

Cheers
 
jim said:
No need to make a mountain out of a mohill and start crying fraud and taking the moral highground. Have the intelligence to look at each case as they arise and judge it on its merits....but not too hastily lads.
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I don't think anyone is taking the moral high ground. Nobody is saying don't do it, just pointing out that it is fraud.
 
Purple said:
Really? A decent and honest person wouldn't be contemplating falsely claiming to be suffering from a mental illness in order to get money from their fellow tax payers.
There should be an appeals procedure in the SW Maternity Benefit section. If they can't help then anything else is fraud.
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Purple said:
I don't think anyone is taking the moral high ground. Nobody is saying don't do it, just pointing out that it is fraud.
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Ok so.….Well, I suppose as long as you are as consistent as your are objectively fair-minded Purple......
 
It is not a fraud if a doctor forms a legitimate belief that the patient's state of mind was an impediment to her claiming the entitlement within the required time.
 
NoRegretsCoyote said:
It is not a fraud if a doctor forms a legitimate belief that the patient's state of mind was an impediment to her claiming the entitlement within the required time.
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I don't think the OP is suggesting that she has postnatal depression or that she will try to con her GP into saying that she actually has postnatal depression.
 
There are 4 reasons why a person can be refused MB, 3 of them are will (applicant is working, refuses to attend a medical or if an EU citizen spends time outside the EU), the 4th reason is badged as may be refused, namely late applications. This is from the DSW guidelines for processing of applications. This implies there is some leeway for late applications depending on the circumstances
 
Suppose you are a decision officer in DEASP.

The internal rules say you can make an exception with a doctor's note.

You are supplied with a doctor's note which you are satisfied has not been forged.

Why on earth would you have any reason to suspect fraud?
 
Purple said:
What do you call telling lies to get the money? It may not be that big a deal but I certainly wouldn't be extolling someone's honesty with "All credit for being a decent and honest person" after advising them to tell lies to make up for their own mistake.
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Everything isn't black or white. Fraud would be not actually having a baby and claiming it or if her employer had paid her full salary and she was claiming this on top. Being late in claiming payment through an honest mistake is not. There are laws broken every day of the week, some of them are minor, some major. Look at the amount of people who accelerate through an amber light. Are they criminals?
 
Gombeenism (and what-aboutery) are alive and well in 21st century Ireland. It comes as no surprise to have that fact confirmed yet again, it comes as a shock that it raises its ugly head in here.

What is more shocking is that what can be a very serious and debilitating illness should be bandied about as a triviality, merely a convenient excuse for failing to comply with the qualification conditions for a SW benefit and that it be used as the basis for fraud.

Given that the OP was for whatever reason unfamiliar with all the conditions for claiming the benefit and that SW seem to some discretion in adjudicating on claims, could she not write to SW, making her case honestly and let the case be judged on its merits?
 
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MangoJoe said:
To suggest that anyone who genuinely needs to submit a claim outside of this window is committing fraud is frankly directing your attention away from what is the just and fair end result.
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Who is suggesting that?
 
mathepac said:
Gombeenism (and what-aboutery) are alive and well in 21st century Ireland. It comes as no surprise to have that fact confirmed yet again, it comes as a shock that it raises its ugly head in here.

What is more shocking is that what can be a very serious and debilitating illness should be bandied about as a triviality, merely a convenient excuse for failing to comply with the qualification conditions for a SW benefit and that it be used as the basis for fraud.

Given that the OP was for whatever reason unfamiliar with all the conditions for claiming the benefit and that SW seem to some discretion in adjudicating on claims, could she not write to SW, making her case honestly and let the case be judged on its merits?
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Well said.
 
MangoJoe said:
Purple may I please respectfully decline to become further entangled in this pointless nonsense.

Wishing you well, all the best.
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You can indeed. Mathepac summed up my views very will above. There's nothing more to be said.
 
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