Landlords refusing HAP

I'm aware I'm supposed to have a BER, just don't see the point of the expense for zero benefit to anybody.

Sorry did not read your original post correctly and thought you did not have one.

Yeah the BER is only really valid if there was more properties to rent than needed and renters could use the BER to differentiate between properties as a high BER should result in lower heating costs etc.
 
I'm aware I'm supposed to have a BER, just don't see the point of the expense for zero benefit to anybody.

Apart from "it being the law", I don't get your point regarding zero benefit? The BER cert gives a good idea on what to expect in terms of energy usage and heating.
I would not rent anything below C for example, because it is likely to be cold and painful to heat.
 
Apart from "it being the law", I don't get your point regarding zero benefit? The BER cert gives a good idea on what to expect in terms of energy usage and heating.
I would not rent anything below C for example, because it is likely to be cold and painful to heat.

Good for you, the property that I reckon is likely to be bad for heating I pay the heating bills so the matter doesn't arise for those tenants. Nobody has ever asked me for a BER, which I don't have, I don't believe it's a likely indication of much. I'd say last years heating bills would give one a better idea. I'm not a bit worried about the law. The corporations/powers that be have never so far inspected me or two of my relations. In fact I don't know one person they have inspected.
 
http://www.thejournal.ie/landlord-refused-hap-wrc-4242635-Sep2018/

Im somewhat under censure at the moment so will make only one comment on this article.
Its a pretty despicable case from the report and is illustrative of the type of landlord that should not be in the business in my opinion.
It gives good landlords a bad name, but unfortunately instances similar to this occur far too regularly.

I assume for balance you'll post a thread about a bad tenant aswell...
 
A few years ago when I was in real danger of being homeless as my then landlord was selling up, a landlady whose house I was viewing and all going well, heard the words ,"Rent allowance" and froze. Said she had to ask her husband and then started pointing out defects in the house. The following day I had in an email. "Rent Allowance does not suit my husband and I."She refused to believe this was illegal discrimination and thankfully I found safe haven elsewhere in time.. NB as I am old and had been on RA for so many years, social welfare were allowing me to stay on it... It is the sheer lack of respect for the law that takes the breath away
 
I agree its nasty alright but I am becoming concerned with the developments in the rental sector.

Landlords are being forced to adhere to HAP standards which in my eyes are too high. At the end of the day the property is mine to do with as I please. My properties exceed the min standards for rental but fall below the HAP standards (for insulation purposes and windows etc).

I don't accept the Govt's interference in the rental sector. As a landlord I am left with all of the risk and if the HAP tenants stops paying the HAP people wont even tell you.


Too high? I've seen the inspection from the council re HAP, it literally checks that bedrooms have windows, there are vents and the building isn;t actually falling down or running with damp. The standards are incredibly low if anything, absolute minimum required.
 
Too high? I've seen the inspection from the council re HAP, it literally checks that bedrooms have windows, there are vents and the building isn;t actually falling down or running with damp. The standards are incredibly low if anything, absolute minimum required.

Would you have a link to a full list of what they check for? I can't find it online
 
That's for rented houses. I thought HAP had different standards.
E.g Ber was mentioned on this thread. It's not mentioned on that link.
 
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Too high? I've seen the inspection from the council re HAP, it literally checks that bedrooms have windows, there are vents and the building isn;t actually falling down or running with damp. The standards are incredibly low if anything, absolute minimum required.

I've never ever been inspected. Not when the tenant's went into RAS or when they moved into HAP. To me the council doesn't want to know and only care about keeping people off housing lists. Would you have a scan of the document please, just black our property address and your name.

My HAP contract says I must abide by 'rental accommodation standards' and has a link to environ.ie which I've never even looked at. Also says they will inspect within 8 months of the HAP starting !

- Must be tax compliant.

- Proof of ownership with title deeds, or PRTB registration or insurance or LPT payment or mortgage statement.

- Nothing about BER.

- Copy of bank statement.

- Something about Housing standards regulations 2008 and 2009.
 
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I thought HAP had different standards.

HAP inspections go beyond the minimum housing standards in that they also check the condition of all furniture, fixtures & fittings and finishes such as tiling or painting.
 
HAP inspections go beyond the minimum housing standards in that they also check the condition of all furniture, fixtures & fittings and finishes such as tiling or painting.

Mine certainly did not, and the council inspector made a point of saying he was not interested in anything like that. Furniture and fittings all excluded, never mind tiling and painting.

It took 5 mins and could not have been more basic.
 
Mine certainly did not, and the council inspector made a point of saying he was not interested in anything like that.

Maybe varies by location, each LA draws up their own template for the inspections. I've only seen the full report for one inspection and that covered all the areas I mentioned. In that case they even insisted a carbon monoxide alarm be fitted in an apartment with no source of combustion.
 
This is national legislation surely? Maybe just an inspector not taking it seriously?
 
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