The same Mick McCarthy who who also won the championship with Sunderland and won a greater percentage of his games with Sunderland then Keane did, not to mention taking Wolves and Milwall to the playoffs. McCarthy may not be the greatest manager the game has ever seen, but he never ran away when the heat was on
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The same Mick McCarthy who who also won the championship with Sunderland and won a greater percentage of his games with Sunderland then Keane did, not to mention taking Wolves and Milwall to the playoffs. McCarthy may not be the greatest manager the game has ever seen, but he never ran away when the heat was on
quite hard on him in today's Indo (per headlines, didnt get to read all yet).
While I'm a dissappointed fan, there is a bit of comfort for the "ordinary man" in the story - i.e. all this intensity/have to be the best/losers whine while winners.... the prom queen etc. etc. that "winners" go on with - in the end it may come to nothing. So maybe the mere mortals, with "human" frailties, can also get there in the long run.
While I'm a dissappointed fan, there is a bit of comfort for the "ordinary man" in the story - i.e. all this intensity/have to be the best/losers whine while winners.... the prom queen etc. etc. that "winners" go on with - in the end it may come to nothing. So maybe the mere mortals, with "human" frailties, can also get there in the long run.
You mean he never walked away from compo for being sacked when the heat was on, admirable to say the least.
Ha, anybody trying to compare McCarthy and Keane as men let alone managers is laughable.
While its a difficult league to get out of, the championship can be won with a relatively below average squad. Its staying up in the EPL thats the barometer of a decent manager.
McCarthy, possibly the worst Man manager in the history of Irish Football. We need only look at how the spanish manager reacted after Raul stormed off the training pitch at the same world cup, saying he was going home. Bit of PR and a good personal discussion (instead of dragging the player in front of the whole team) but most anti keanites dont actually understand the concept of management per say, just the concept that footballers are machines that shouldnt step out of line and have no right to act on their instincts.
That aside, nobody knows for definate what the circumstances were surrounding his departure. Most anti keane people will love the thought that he simply bottled it. I dont rule that out completely nor do I rule out the possibility that he discussed the new owners and his concern that they might end up like the jokes running anfield or the clown running newcastle. I would prefer to think that keanes just a perfectionist that just cant accept second best. His ambitions cant be matched at sunderland.
Its funny because when I hear people simply slag off keane, i have to wounder if they have any ability to properly analyse an obvious flawed genius. His blunt honesty seems to really get the backs up of people who prefer to listen to the bland "footballs a funny old game" merchants who are more pc then the pc brigade themselves (switch to sky . . now for your impartial analysis of a EPL game!). Football is always going to be that little bit less colorful without the "prawn sandwich" hater who never shyed away from saying what he thinks as opposed to what would make him more popular.
Maybe hes not meant to be a manager, while it will take a bit of that "fighting Irish" mystique away from the corkman, most rational fans will still remember the legend that he was . .
While its a difficult league to get out of, the championship can be won with a relatively below average squad. Its staying up in the EPL thats the barometer of a decent manager.
McCarthy, possibly the worst Man manager in the history of Irish Football. We need only look at how the spanish manager reacted after Raul stormed off the training pitch at the same world cup, saying he was going home. Bit of PR and a good personal discussion (instead of dragging the player in front of the whole team) but most anti keanites dont actually understand the concept of management per say, just the concept that footballers are machines that shouldnt step out of line and have no right to act on their instincts.
That aside, nobody knows for definate what the circumstances were surrounding his departure. Most anti keane people will love the thought that he simply bottled it. I dont rule that out completely nor do I rule out the possibility that he discussed the new owners and his concern that they might end up like the jokes running anfield or the clown running newcastle. I would prefer to think that keanes just a perfectionist that just cant accept second best. His ambitions cant be matched at sunderland.
Its funny because when I hear people simply slag off keane, i have to wounder if they have any ability to properly analyse an obvious flawed genius. His blunt honesty seems to really get the backs up of people who prefer to listen to the bland "footballs a funny old game" merchants who are more pc then the pc brigade themselves (switch to sky . . now for your impartial analysis of a EPL game!). Football is always going to be that little bit less colorful without the "prawn sandwich" hater who never shyed away from saying what he thinks as opposed to what would make him more popular.
Maybe hes not meant to be a manager, while it will take a bit of that "fighting Irish" mystique away from the corkman, most rational fans will still remember the legend that he was . .
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Keane let his country down big time.
And also the guy is a genuine psychopath. That whole thing with alfie jaland (dodgy spelling?) that he admitted in his book was seriously insane behaviour.
He bottled up that revenge for a full 18 months for a relatively minor crime by jaland.
And also the guy is a genuine psychopath. That whole thing with alfie jaland (dodgy spelling?) that he admitted in his book was seriously insane behaviour.
He bottled up that revenge for a full 18 months for a relatively minor crime by jaland.
Never understood the so-called revenge attack on Haalnd (spelling?).
Haaland never did anything to Keane in the 1st instance. Keane was the guilty party in that 1st tackle too but by pure bad luck came away injured.
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I think the character assasination of Roy Keane this week has been disgraceful. Instead of concentrating on the matter at hand i.e. an Irish manager quitting his job in a Premier League club, it has been a witch-hunt by all the bitter little people who "never forgave him for walking out on his country...blah blah blah...Alfe Inge Haaland...blah blah blah" Jeez! Pathetic. Saipan was 6 years ago now. I am not a United/Celtic/Sunderland fan but I do admire Keane as a person depsite his many flaws. He put his body on the line for club and country and all he wanted was to win. I heard Cascarino on the radio yesterday and he was disgusting. Couldn't shout loud enough in order to get the knife in. I know who I'd prefer to have as a teammate.
As a player for Man Utd....Yes. As a player for Ireland...No. As a manager for Sunderland...definitely not (put his body on the line that is).
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When I first saw Keane I was impressed with him but after that tackle on a fellow professional I was disgusted beyond words.
For those of you that are his fans why not watch him in action again and watch carefully as he spits on the poor man on the ground, and after he has been shown the red card he leans down and says, "take that you ++++".
A good example for the young people of Ireland, I don't think so.
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If that happened out on the streets someone would be jailed for it.
As for his walking out on the job I'm not surprised, he's not the type of man who handles failure well. A stronger man would stand up sort the problems out and move forward.
For those of you that are his fans why not watch him in action again and watch carefully as he spits on the poor man on the ground, and after he has been shown the red card he leans down and says, "take that you ++++".
A good example for the young people of Ireland, I don't think so.
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If that happened out on the streets someone would be jailed for it.
As for his walking out on the job I'm not surprised, he's not the type of man who handles failure well. A stronger man would stand up sort the problems out and move forward.
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People knock keane for very valid reasons - and not mere begrudgery as you suggest.
It's not that he's just flawed - He's a nutbag.
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Whats all this stupid talk about "putting your body on the line". Some people have been listening to too much rugby commentary.
This is soccer where players fall over at the slightest bit of contact.
Roy Keane did not put his body on the line just like every other soccer play.
This is soccer where players fall over at the slightest bit of contact.
Roy Keane did not put his body on the line just like every other soccer play.
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From my point of view Roy Keane did let Ireland down in the 2002 world cup and it looks like whenever things get though Roy legs it.
He did very well at Sunderland and this was the first bad run of form for the team and he decides enough is enough.
He did very well at Sunderland and this was the first bad run of form for the team and he decides enough is enough.
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