DublinTexas
can edit posts
- Messages
- 360
However, if you're a skanger who sits around all day, mooches off the govt, claims every other benefit under the sun, then tough, you ain't gettin it until you start to work (which is never because their equivalant salary would be miles out of their reach should anyone actually hire them).
Why is it that every other country in Europe provides far more assistance to those with children?
One big problem we have in this country is that it is more attractive to be on social welfare than to take a low or even low to medium paid job. This is because there is little or no difference between social welfare income and income levels in these jobs. Means testing child benefit will tip the balance more in favour of not working. It is not good for society or the countries finances to have a large proportion of its potential workforce being paid to stay at home because it is not cost effective for them to take a job.
In spite of us now having 10% unemployment, visit your local convenience store, fast food outlet, cleaning/security company etc. etc. and you'll struggle to find an Irish worker. These employers still have to import foreign workers, including a large percentage of non-EU on work permits, to fill their vacancies. Madness.
For this reason, child benefit should not be means tested. In fact, there is an argument for changing it into a tax credit to encourage people to work. Afterall, if you are unemployed, you have no childcare costs.
Wow, 2 or 3 countries are even stingier than we are....we should be meaner, race to the bottom!
The jobs you mention above are not eligible for first time work permits and haven't been since 2007. The list of jobs eligible for permits has been tightened even further this year. The only people who are eligible for employment permits from now on are those who have a skill that cannot be obtained from within the EU and the salary on offer must be at least 30,000.
You keep saying paternity benefit/leave (or paternative, which isn't actually a word) do you mean parental? Or do you have some social engineering plan to make all fathers stay at home and send the mothers out to work?
I hope you, or no one you know, ever have to rely on child benefit to put food on the table.When it's eventually means tested / taxed the ones who don't need it ie the ones who spend it on cigarettes, go to cafés/pubs on the first Tuesday in the month will keep getting it and the better off who are more likely to spend it on their kids education will lose it imo.
Wow, talk about stepping into a Bizarro World thread. They're talking means testing, not abolishing, Child Benefit. Means testing would imply those with the means no longer receive it. Seems pretty rational to me. Everything else in this thread is just conceited nonsense.
Well the people I'm talking about don't rely on cb for putting food on the table. After they've blown it along with the dole on cigarettes/alcohol the food is put on the table for them by the St Vincent de Paul, who've also furnished the 3 bedroomed semi they live in, the rent for which is being paid for by the state.I hope you, or no one you know, ever have to rely on child benefit to put food on the table.
Well that's not a problem so. You just adjust the means test to exclude all selfish, self centered, ignorant, narrow minded fools.Well the people I'm talking about don't rely on cb for putting food on the table. After they've blown it along with the dole on cigarettes/alcohol the food is put on the table for them by the St Vincent de Paul, who've also furnished the 3 bedroomed semi they live in, the rent for which is being paid for by the state.
Pull the other one.......this does not seem to be applied by our immigration service. It appears that if you advertise a job at such a low salary that would not be financially attractive to an unemployed person, you can claim that the "skill" cannot be obtained within the EU and you'll get permits for non-EU workers on close to min wage.
Means testing cb is wrong. The money is for the benefit of the child. The better off parents are more likely to spend the money on their children
.
The OP was selling 2 houses for 700k on another thread. Hardly dependant on child benefit..
The OP was selling 2 houses for 700k on another thread. Hardly dependant on child benefit..
So let me understand this, this OP who claims to be a middle income Public Sector worker with 4 children and at least 2 high end properties is complaining about the state possibly taking away the Child Benefit?
Say it loud with me "Personal Responsiblity"!
If you can get 2 properties on a middle income public sector workers salary than please get your act together.
People like the OP are what is wrong with this country, not to mention that ever since doing the OP nothing from them here anymore.
We use cookies and similar technologies for the following purposes:
Do you accept cookies and these technologies?
We use cookies and similar technologies for the following purposes:
Do you accept cookies and these technologies?