He apologised to Kenny on air shortly after he made the remark. For €900k or so a year I would have expected the host to be able to handle the comment more professionally.
An apology for the Trophy house remark,was apparently left with a researcher by JackO
I must correct you , Jack O'Connor does not have the power to initiate strike action , SIPTU can only initiate strike action if mandated to do so by it's members , again you are attempting to individualise matters.Regarding any comment I make re Jack O Connor,I can say that they are all in relation to the office he holds and when someone is in a position of power and has the wherewithall to bring the country to a stop,I dont see why people would not have an interest in that persons backround.
No matter whom holds the office I would still feel that I should be allowed to question their qualifactions/backround.
I think it is a cheap shot to say that the man himself is being attacked,and a clever way of stopping a disscusion..
This is all about opinions and people differ.
If for example Brian cowen had left school at 15,hadnt bothered to educate himself at a later date ,to me that would smell of someone who must be in control and doesnt like authority.I do not feel that this would be a personal attack,but a way of understanding the person whom holds the office,where they are coming from,and may even explain their behavior and regardless of whom they are, I would feel the same.
Compare it to an article written by a journalist,I would imagine that one would need to know where the person is coming from,to see how balanced their article is.
I know for a fact that in many private companys union reps are given a lot of time off to attend meetings they are paid by the private companys and yet do not hold down the real job that they were originally employed for ,but hold down a full time union rep job,This is what I mean about a "real job",however I cannot speak for how others view this.
Also it is important to remember that he may well have five degrees 5 masters for all we know...
The point that jack o connor was trying to say in his round about way ...was that public sector workers wouldn`t take a pay cut but would be amenable to tax increases.Of course this wouldn`t work because the tax increases would effect the private sector also.
I must correct you , Jack O'Connor does not have the power to initiate strike action , SIPTU can only initiate strike action if mandated to do so by it's members , again you are attempting to individualise matters.
Leaders should lead in a responsible manner,would be my response to that.I will repeat that I dont care if the leader is JOC or Micheal Jackson or Pat Kenny, no attempt to individualise at all,why are you constantly trying to say that Im indivdualising,when I have made it clear that it is not my intention ? Just because you keep repeating something doesnt make it correct.
All you really need to know is that Mr. O'Connor is the democratically elected Genral President of SIPTU.
However ,he is also in parnership with the government and therefore has a say in the running of this country.I dont recall any election to vote for this situation..
.His background and education are not issues
Have you considered that it may be an issue for others?
Someone has to pick up the slack though..I was that soldier..I was a union rep for many years in a private company and attended many meetings in and out of office hours and still managed to do my job as did all the other reps I knew.
Indeed Management were only too happy to have reps trained as it suited both parties to be able to deal swiftly and centrally with IR issues.
I cannot see under any circumstances how management would be in any position to refuse ...
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All you really need to know is that Mr. O'Connor is the democratically elected Genral President of SIPTU.
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Thats the point. He was elected by members of SIPTU. Last time I looked they don't represent the majority of workers in this Country (nor does the whole trade union movement) and yet they think it is their place to try and bring the Country to a standstill to try and bully a democratically elected Government into accepting their demands with regard to the Country's fiscal policies so that the interests of their members are protected at the expense of everyone else.
Unions exist to protect and enhance where possible the terms and conditions of it's members.Thats the point. He was elected by members of SIPTU. Last time I looked they don't represent the majority of workers in this Country (nor does the whole trade union movement) and yet they think it is their place to try and bring the Country to a standstill to try and bully a democratically elected Government into accepting their demands with regard to the Country's fiscal policies so that the interests of their members are protected at the expense of everyone else.
I think it is a cheap shot to say that the man himself is being attacked,and a clever way of stopping a disscusion..
This is all about opinions and people differ.
Unions exist to protect and enhance where possible the terms and conditions of it's members.
Governments govern and unions respond or not as mandated by their members.
Thats the point. He was elected by members of SIPTU. Last time I looked they don't represent the majority of workers in this Country (nor does the whole trade union movement) and yet they think it is their place to try and bring the Country to a standstill to try and bully a democratically elected Government into accepting their demands with regard to the Country's fiscal policies so that the interests of their members are protected at the expense of everyone else.
I can't believe I'm defending unions...but...
Employees have a right to representation through membership of a union. The social partnership set up (which despite its faults in the last years of the Celtic Tiger had a significant impact on getting us to the boom years in the first place) gives employees (via congress) to give their views on social and economic policy.
However, in this case that is irrelevant. It is no different to any other industrial dispute where cuts are to be discussed. The employees affected are the public and civil service and it is their unions who are representing their views to their employer. It just so happens that first, their employer is the State and that their views (though mixed) is generally: "keep your hands off my pay you damned dirty ape".
This is outside social partnership and is between employer and employee. It just so happens that if the employees engage in industrial action it means the withdrawl of certain public services and it just so happens that the employer is the State.
I have nothing against union representation if that is what is people want. This is not a normal despute between employer and employee though because the Union movement is openly suggesting (with the threat of strike action janging over our heads) on how the Government should tax every citizen of this Country to protect their members.
Trade Unions don't go into a private company and annouce they are not suffering cuts and therefore the company should raise the price of the product that they sell to pay for it because they know it wouldn't work.
Social Partnership worked before the Celtic Tiger but in the end it destroyed this Country. The only reason it survived was that Bertie Ahern bought off the Unions at every turn. Now we have to pay the price.
Very well said..I have nothing against union representation if that is what is people want. This is not a normal despute between employer and employee though because the Union movement is openly suggesting (with the threat of strike action janging over our heads) on how the Government should tax every citizen of this Country to protect their members.
Trade Unions don't go into a private company and annouce they are not suffering cuts and therefore the company should raise the price of the product that they sell to pay for it because they know it wouldn't work.
Social Partnership worked before the Celtic Tiger but in the end it destroyed this Country. The only reason it survived was that Bertie Ahern bought off the Unions at every turn. Now we have to pay the price.
A minority of unions are suggesting the tax increase, it is by no means a universal view.
It's an ICTU position so not sure you can say it is the minority of unions! Are you sure you don't want to defend them!
.the Government should tax every citizen of this Country to protect their members
I have nothing against union representation if that is what is people want. This is not a normal despute between employer and employee though because the Union movement is openly suggesting (with the threat of strike action janging over our heads) on how the Government should tax every citizen of this Country to protect their members.
Trade Unions don't go into a private company and annouce they are not suffering cuts and therefore the company should raise the price of the product that they sell to pay for it because they know it wouldn't work.
Social Partnership worked before the Celtic Tiger but in the end it destroyed this Country. The only reason it survived was that Bertie Ahern bought off the Unions at every turn. Now we have to pay the price.
Jack O'Connor's suitability for high office was democratically decided upon by the members of SIPTU who elected him General President.
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