Irresponsible dog owners

mathepac said:
I don't make a point of interviewing sheep for their opinions, nor have I spoken to that unfortunate woman.
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So talk to a sheep farmer, they'll tell you the presence of an unfamiliar dog when their chasing instincts kick in, and especially during lambing season is a source of stress for the animals, sufficient in some cases to lead to the loss of the lamb. Why is it some consider it acceptable that people should be entitled to enter their land without having a little respect? It's not like they'd be too happy if strangers turned up on their doorstep allowing their dogs to do as they please on their property.

The owners of the majority of dogs who worry sheep or attack people would have considered them well trained and obedient until it's too late.
 
It all sounds like the behaviour of irresponsible dog owners to me but again, why should the dogs pay the ultimate price?

What about an annual Mutt Owners' Test, MOT, to prove that at licensing time, owners and dogs behave in such a way as to be safe to be out in public together? Proper dog retraints, leads, muzzles, proper ID tags, (FIDO registrations), chipping, etc, and behavioural testing with specialist dog trainers.

Killing animals be they domestic companion dogs, wild badgers, seagulls, foxes, or deer is not the appropriate answer in a civilised society.
 
Another reason the dogs should pay the ultimate price is that their owners won't pay any price, but should, in my opinion.
 
mathepac said:
Killing animals be they domestic companion dogs, wild badgers, seagulls, foxes, or deer is not the appropriate answer in a civilised society.
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Foxes are vermin and Deer populations are unsustainably large. Most deer are invasive species. None of them have natural predators. If we don't cull them they are an ecological menace (not nearly as much as Sheep but I don't think any grazing animals should be let loose to range across any habitat).
 
Purple said:
If we don't cull them they are an ecological menace (not nearly as much as Sheep but I don't think any grazing animals should be let loose to range across any habitat).
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On the flip side, isn't it cruel to imprison dogs repressing their natural instincts to roam and chase prey? :D
 
Leo said:
On the flip side, isn't it cruel to imprison dogs repressing their natural instincts to roam and chase prey? :D
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And for those who think that culling dear is cruel and we should reintroduce wolves please ask yourselves if you had firing squad or being eaten by a back of wolves as the choice of methods of execution which would you pick?
 
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Yep, all other beasts should be allowed to live according to their nature, our own instincts should be the only ones to be repressed.
 
Leo said:
Yep, all other beasts should be allowed to live according to their nature, our own instincts should be the only ones to be repressed.
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We're getting into the realms of philosophy now. The oft mistranslated line from René Descartes, "I'm thinking therefore I am" who people think is about what it means to be human but is just about existing. The bottom line is that we're different from other animals and so should behave accordingly.
 
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Leo said:
On the flip side, isn't it cruel to imprison dogs repressing their natural instincts to roam and chase prey?
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Domestic dogs, companion animals, properly reared and trained, and with responsible owners, have no difficulty behaving as model citizens.
Purple said:
The bottom line is that we're different from other animals and so should behave accordingly.
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And we prove that by slaughtering other species if they step out of line from the behaviours we expect of them, having invested nothing in modifying their behaviours.
 
mathepac said:
And we prove that by slaughtering other species if they step out of line from the behaviours we expect of them, having invested nothing in modifying their behaviours.
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And eating them. And wearing them. And killing them for fun. (I only do the first two).
 
joer said:
Another reason the dogs should pay the ultimate price is that their owners won't pay any price, but should, in my opinion.
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There was a farmer beside my grandparents farm used to routinely shoot and hang such dogs from the gate with a meat hook.

If the dog had a tel number on its collar, he'd call the owner and tell them to collect it.

If they bothered to turn up he'd give them a bill for damages caused by their dog.

There was no messing with this chap, you would always know where you stood with him as hed not be soft on telling you.

Proved effective, even in an age without social media.
 
mathepac said:
Domestic dogs, companion animals, properly reared and trained, and with responsible owners, have no difficulty behaving as model citizens.
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Domesticated breeds still harbour a hunting instinct or prey drive. While you can try to satisfy their needs in other ways, you cannot train out that instinct and even the best trained dogs can sometimes give in to those primal urges ignoring their owner.

Regardless, I think you may have missed the point about it being perhaps cruel to domesticate wild animals and breeding them to keep them confined for our entertainment.
 
Leo said:
Regardless, I think you may have missed the point about it being perhaps cruel to domesticate wild animals and breeding them to keep them confined for our entertainment.
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Interestingly (to me anyway) the brain of an animal is changed as it is domesticated. The study in Russia on the domestication of Silver Foxes shows this. I first read about it in the book Humankind which postulated that we are effectively a self domesticated Ape. Dogs are long domesticated wolves but they have been domesticated for so long that they are no longer wolves.
 
Purple said:
Dogs are long domesticated wolves but they have been domesticated for so long that they are no longer wolves.
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Yeah, I just find it interesting that those most vocal in favour of animal rights see no issue being involved in further breeding out their true origins and restricting what natural instincts remain for their own pleasure.
 
Leo said:
Yeah, I just find it interesting that those most vocal in favour of animal rights see no issue being involved in further breeding out their true origins and restricting what natural instincts remain for their own pleasure.
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And that if we stop farming and eating cattle, pigs, sheep etc then we'll have to kill them all.
 
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Leo said:
True, would mean we could drive bigger cars though.
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If we killed all the cows and sheep we'd be able to drive whatever we want and fly as often as we want. We could start a new form of tourism where people could fly in and shoot some cows and/or sheep. I'm sure the Green Party would approve.
 
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