Ireland one of Most In Debt Countries

Re: Ireland one of Most In Debt ('indebted', Ed.) Countries

House prices in the Republic are a conundrum. The 'fix' is to tax unserviced land. This puts all landbanks held by the affluent:<!--EZCODE LIST START--><ul><li>builders,</li><li>local councils,</li><li>REITs,</li><li>and the downright greedy</li></ul><!--EZCODE LIST END-->in the tax net (justice?)<!--EZCODE BR START--><!--EZCODE BR END--><!--EZCODE BR START--><!--EZCODE BR END-->But those that have forked over obscene amounts for a home will be caught out by the falling (crashing, I suspect) prices. The electorate backlash would be ineluctable for the Government.<!--EZCODE BR START--><!--EZCODE BR END--><!--EZCODE BR START--><!--EZCODE BR END-->And until we begin investing in the future of Ireland through job creation (callcentre positions created by foreign companies do not qualify) rather than bricks 'n mortar, the lending institutions will have no choice but to foist mortgage money upon us to satisfy the ROI demands of their savvy shareholders.
 
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Call centre work is disappearing already and has been for a long time. It's all off to India and the Czech Republic.

Unemployment is low despite this.
 
Re: Ireland one of Most Indebted Countries

And Donegal<!--EZCODE BR START--><!--EZCODE BR END--><!--EZCODE BR START--><!--EZCODE BR END-->With apologies to Waylon Jennings
Mams, dunt let yez sprogs become CSRs
<!--EZCODE BR START--><!--EZCODE BR END-->Aww, the cabal of onanists are distressed. How sad!
 
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no better verbal onanist than yourself. I see you're as obnoxious as ever.
 
anyway

one cc in donegal doesn't mean much. Neither does some nonsense quote from a country singer.
 
Re: Ireland one of Most Indebted Countries

Then the culchies could be retrained to build [broken link removed]? Methinks you are dreaming whilst sitting about at your cushie service job in Dublin. Most everwhere else the wages are dismal. What with the average industrial wage only slightly above €28000, housing price must moderate soon.<!--EZCODE BR START--><!--EZCODE BR END--><!--EZCODE BR START--><!--EZCODE BR END-->N.B. If this thread is reviewed, one can see that I have made a helpful suggestion, unlike others that impugn my character.
 
Ireland one of Most Indebted Countries

When I was a child (1950's) the exodus of Irish to work in factories, on the buses, and in construction in England was going on. When I had to emigrate myself in the early 1970's from my relatively-privileged position of having a little bit more than "primary-school education" I sadly watched the young and not-so-young men of Ireland's west coast arrive in "gangs" off the boats at Holyhead, each carrying a little suitcase. If they were lucky they managed to maintain contact through the next 10 years with companions they had "come over" with, and with "home".

As a child I often overheard "the grownups" debate the official policy of tax incentives and government subsidy to "foreign businesses". The latter came, built huge ugly silos in the middle of the countryside, used Irish manual labour under "foreign" management. The day before the subsidy ran out and they were to (theoretically!) meet tax responsibilities like comparable Irish businesses they shut down and moved elsewhere.

Ireland has always - through it's small population and its location - been vulnerable economically. On joining the EU it's status as economically-comparable to any "third-world country" attracted massive investment, and that, together with a number of other factors often broached on AAM have precipitated it out of its identity as a predominantly- agricultural economy.

I see no evidence that that skill-base and resource has been adequately or permanently substituted by something lasting in terms of an industrial or a technological base.

However in my humble opinion the rapidity with which that has occurred has resulted in a situation where there is no inbuilt buffer or safety-net for economic survival when the current "halcyon period" ends. Whilst social benefits are more generous and easily-accessible than in most other countries these will be increasingly pressured by the growing population (comprising the large proportion of teenagers, returned emigrants, incoming workers from EU and other parts of the world).

In addition there may be - as well as lack of a sort of "national economic parachute" - little psychological preparedness for recession or for a return to straitened times.

I hope I'm wrong, and that if and when that awful event occurs those who have thoughtlessly bought Japanese cars and Bulgarian properties and worked for/invested in multinationals and bought biscuits made in the UK in grocery-chains sourcing in the UK there may still be at the end of the day some vestiges of the former "Irish community" in that time of need. These observations are not made in a spirit of recidivism or isolationism or island-mentality but as a description of reality.

My late father used, when he got frustrated with newspaper reports of yet more bulls**t and corruption and fudges, used to sigh and say "If the Irish lived in Holland, it would be under the sea; if the Dutch lived in Ireland, they'd be feeding the world". I grew up understanding this to mean you had to really, deeply understand your environment and adapt to it intelligently.

As far as I know the Dutch don't currently have a problem level of either personal or national debt so perhaps he had a point!
 
THE END OF THE WORLD IS NIGH

max, if this thread is reviewed you called me a masturbator!!! Maybe if you were a little less of an ******* people might not give you a hard time.
You're entitled to your pov but it's all doom and gloom with little substance. We have a healthy economy and CSR's have little to do with it anymore. Read some of the intelligent posts in the mortgages section about how house prices are tied to interest rates and mortgage repayments.
 
Re: Ireland one of Most Indebted Countries

Mental masturbation abounds on this board.<!--EZCODE BR START--><!--EZCODE BR END--><!--EZCODE BR START--><!--EZCODE BR END-->But back to the subject.<!--EZCODE BR START--><!--EZCODE BR END--><!--EZCODE BR START--><!--EZCODE BR END-->Ireland's EU-funded party is set to end. Jobs are fleeing like proverbial rats (unless you are satisfied with counting the money of others in the IFSC).<!--EZCODE BR START--><!--EZCODE BR END--><!--EZCODE BR START--><!--EZCODE BR END-->
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<!--EZCODE BR START--><!--EZCODE BR END--><!--EZCODE BR START--><!--EZCODE BR END--> Service with a smile as rapidly growing sector fuels our jobs surge<!--EZCODE BR START--><!--EZCODE BR END--><!--EZCODE BR START--><!--EZCODE BR END-->With construction likely to peak this year, it seems that the economy will depend almost entirely on the services sector for future growth in employment<!--EZCODE BR START--><!--EZCODE BR END--><!--EZCODE BR START--><!--EZCODE BR END-->OUT of the mouths of babes and sucklings comes wisdom. Apparently, Bob the Builder has replaced the traditional policeman, fireman and train driver as the desired occupation of five-year-olds. The kids could be on to something.<!--EZCODE BR START--><!--EZCODE BR END--><!--EZCODE BR START--><!--EZCODE BR END-->Last week's employment figures report from the CSO for the second quarter of the year was a remarkable document. Among the remarkable things it contained was the 15,000 increase in the number at work in the building industry compared with the same time last year.<!--EZCODE BR START--><!--EZCODE BR END--><!--EZCODE BR START--><!--EZCODE BR END-->The construction industry shrugged off the economic downturn like a troublesome insect. Employment has risen in every quarter for the past two years and topped 200,000 in the middle of last year. In another eye-catching statistic, construction accounted for a third of the 43,000 jobs created in the previous twelve months.<!--EZCODE BR START--><!--EZCODE BR END--><!--EZCODE BR START--><!--EZCODE BR END-->More than one analyst thinks the housing boom could explain a lot of the economy's resilience during the 2000-02 downturn. House-building continued to increase throughout, to reach the undreamed-of figure of 80,000 completions this year.<!--EZCODE BR START--><!--EZCODE BR END--><!--EZCODE BR START--><!--EZCODE BR END-->But, if a thing cannot go on forever, it usually stops eventually. When the peak of the building boom is finally reached, the subsequent return to normality, even if gradual, will have a depressing effect, on both the statistics and the real world of work and incomes.<!--EZCODE BR START--><!--EZCODE BR END--><!--EZCODE BR START--><!--EZCODE BR END-->A recent report from DKM Consultants suggested that this year is the peak for Irish construction. With stronger commercial and infrastructure investment adding to the housing bonanza, they expect an 8pc increase in output terms this year. They think growth will then slow markedly in the next two years, but it will still be growth, of around 3pc a year.<!--EZCODE BR START--><!--EZCODE BR END--><!--EZCODE BR START--><!--EZCODE BR END-->This may be enough to maintain employment, but output seems certain to continue to slow in the rest of the decade. The risk is that, if house-building were to fall rapidly to what economists mostly think is the "natural" demand of 40,000 units a year, 60,000 jobs could go. Some would find work in other parts of the industry, but they tend not to be as labour-intensive as construction.<!--EZCODE BR START--><!--EZCODE BR END--><!--EZCODE BR START--><!--EZCODE BR END-->In the meantime, helped by the building boom, the Irish economy continues to generate new jobs at the spectacular rate of 1.7pc a year. But the structure of the labour market is changing fast, and the building boom is only a part of it.<!--EZCODE BR START--><!--EZCODE BR END--><!--EZCODE BR START--><!--EZCODE BR END-->Such a change would take place alongside what seems to be a striking shift from industrial to services employment. Perhaps the latest figures are too striking, coming against a background of an economic slowdown which hit Ireland's specialist industries hard, and a recovery which seems to be led by services and domestic demand.<!--EZCODE BR START--><!--EZCODE BR END--><!--EZCODE BR START--><!--EZCODE BR END-->Industrial employment fell by 5,500 since the second quarter of last year. Yet even this figure is more resilient than it seems at first glance. The loss of jobs occurred in the middle of last year, but employment seems to have recovered in 2004. This is despite weak output statistics, but most of the weakness is in chemicals, an industry whose ups and downs have little effect on employment.<!--EZCODE BR START--><!--EZCODE BR END--><!--EZCODE BR START--><!--EZCODE BR END-->Booming construction, and manufacturing holding its own. Then come the amazing figures for the services sector, to give that net total of 43,000 new jobs. Could there even be a connection between the housing boom and the 10,000 extra jobs in financial services? It takes a lot of keyboard punching to process almost €2bn worth of mortgages a month.<!--EZCODE BR START--><!--EZCODE BR END--><!--EZCODE BR START--><!--EZCODE BR END-->But even the financial sector is dwarfed by the 14,300 more people who said they worked in other services. In other services bar one, that is. Hotels and restaurants, although a service, get a separate CSO listing and this sector lost 6,600 jobs.<!--EZCODE BR START--><!--EZCODE BR END--><!--EZCODE BR START--><!--EZCODE BR END-->With Ireland the most expensive country in Europe, and destined to remain so, one cannot see a return to the tourism of the 1990s. If the industry can produce a higher-quality product able to command high prices it may continue to add value, but it may no longer be able to add jobs.<!--EZCODE BR START--><!--EZCODE BR END--><!--EZCODE BR START--><!--EZCODE BR END-->The conclusion from all this is that the economy now depends almost entirely on the services sector (excluding the hospitality business) for future growth in employment. But how many jobs are needed?<!--EZCODE BR START--><!--EZCODE BR END--><!--EZCODE BR START--><!--EZCODE BR END-->Tentative answers to that are found in a figure which rarely makes the headlines - the growth in the labour force. The numbers working or seeking work rose by a healthy 2.4pc in the twelve months. As well as the natural increase, there was a notable increase of 45-54-year-olds participating in the labour force, and the participation rate for married women is approaching 50pc.<!--EZCODE BR START--><!--EZCODE BR END--><!--EZCODE BR START--><!--EZCODE BR END-->As the chart shows, participation rates are already high, with limited scope to increase. Labour force growth ought to fall to less than 2pc a year in the next few years. That makes it easier to maintain full employment, but it also reduces potential economic growth. Fianna Fáil is already straining under the limitations of 7-8pc growth in money terms. But they will have to get used to less over the rest of the decade.<!--EZCODE BR START--><!--EZCODE BR END--><!--EZCODE BR START--><!--EZCODE BR END-->How much less depends on the biggest imponderable of all - immigration. Immigrants may have contributed up to half the 45,000 labour force increase last year.<!--EZCODE BR START--><!--EZCODE BR END--><!--EZCODE BR START--><!--EZCODE BR END-->In services especially, their presence creates jobs which would not otherwise exist, because there would be no one to fill them.<!--EZCODE BR START--><!--EZCODE BR END--><!--EZCODE BR START--><!--EZCODE BR END-->They are flexible, mobile and, as a health survey suggested last week, they work harder than the natives.<!--EZCODE BR START--><!--EZCODE BR END--><!--EZCODE BR START--><!--EZCODE BR END-->For the moment, that suits both them and us. But for how long?<!--EZCODE BR START--><!--EZCODE BR END--><!--EZCODE BR START--><!--EZCODE BR END-->How long, indeed. Maybe [broken link removed] can shed some light into the darkess of our pubs where we have pissed away over of the EU's money.<!--EZCODE BR START--><!--EZCODE BR END--><!--EZCODE BR START--><!--EZCODE BR END-->Friends, 2007 is just around the corner. Time to sell up that hyper-inflated pile and head for the continent or the UK. We have not had the continental diaspora option before, but then our language skills are desperate. Maybe more Morrison and Donnelly visas are in order?
 
mental masturbation

The only masturbation going on here is from you max....or should that be the Indo?

Well done, you've succesfully carried your point from CC's to the construction industry!!!!!!!

Are you a journalist for the Independent? Or do you just take everything you read there at face value?
 
Re: Ireland one of Most Indebted Countries

If I am being led astray by the likes of the [broken link removed], DKM Consultants (Davy's), and [broken link removed], then yes, I declare myself naïve.<!--EZCODE BR START--><!--EZCODE BR END--><!--EZCODE BR START--><!--EZCODE BR END-->If your refutation is that you can still afford pints at €4.50 and G&Ts at €6.75 for a go, then I have nothing more to add.<!--EZCODE BR START--><!--EZCODE BR END--><!--EZCODE BR START--><!--EZCODE BR END-->Ireland is putting on airs and acting "[broken link removed]".
 
blinkered?

Gee max, anyone reading that might think you're completely blinkered into believing all those articles that suit your pov. After all, who could doubt a stockbroker? Of course, we don't see any of it happening, but don't let that stop you. I presume you're penning all this while on the plane to greener pastures? Better get out of this dump anyway before we all lose our jobs and the housing bubble bursts and the devils come out from the ground and burning fires of hell consume us all!
 
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Sorry, there. I missed the substantiation for your belief that we should all "laissez les bons temps rouler".<!--EZCODE BR START--><!--EZCODE BR END--><!--EZCODE BR START--><!--EZCODE BR END-->I am confident that you have a contribution to make to this thread.
 
children please

Google is great max isn't it? It allows you to sound so much more intelligent than you actually are.

I never said we had to be lazy. What you're flouting is much the same as any doomsayer - mostly smoke, very little fire.
 
Re: Ireland one of Most Indebted Countries

Oops! Time to find a new search engine. The translation is "let the good times roll".
 
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Max, interesting article. (I read all of it I did.)

Have you sold up? - If you want to get rich, do what everyone else isn't doing. Why tell people?
 
Re: Ireland one of Most Indebted Countries

In fact, yes. With no debt burden, I am after covering the rent and energy costs with some medium risk investments. I am well positioned to wait out the crunch. With all respect to Oracle of Ofaly and pisstaker, ohnohesback, I will side with the professional market commentators.
 
mad as a...

max, do you have a shelter for when the world implodes. Shelters are important.
 
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"Are you a journalist for the Independent?"

- He's a pilot.
 
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Hi Max Hopper,

Have to say that I enjoy your colourful & witty postings...
 
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