180 million this year , 360 million in a full year
180 million this year , 360 million in a full yearI thought I read a figure of €180 million in the Examiner and the Independent. Did you see it costing a billion?
That's why I referred to the fact that those figures reflected a reversal of pay reductions previously inflicted.Again, it should also be borne in mind that PS employees received decreases of between 7.4 % and 6.2 % between 2013 and 2018 reflecting the imposition of pay reductions across all grades. See the difference in the two statements when only one side of the story is reported.
Public sector is hiring if the private sector people think it's so good a job and conditions.
You forget the increments, I am getting 9% more than 2 years agoThe public sector got 1% last year and 1% in October 2022. To be fair I suppose, inflation is 5.7% at the moment. Even if that comes down to say 3% for the rest of the year, salaries in the public sector are in reality falling in real terms.
I don't know what the pay rises forecasted in the private sector for 2023 are. I suppose every sector or Industry is different
Your salary increased 9% with two increments?! Low wages, big increments???You forget the increments, I am getting 9% more than 2 years ago
€180 million a year multiplied by 5.55 is €1 billion.I thought I read a figure of €180 million in the Examiner and the Independent. Did you see it costing a billion?
Senior PS Employees are under paid. Junior PS employees are over paid. That's by international comparison.For PS workers at the top of their scales, they don't get any increments. In most grades, increments are only worth a few hundred a year and in teaching there's something like 25 increments, again, each worth 300-400 euro a year. With Inflation at 5.7%, they certainly are not keeping up with inflation.
I think it was more to do with their employer being bankrupt and borrowing the money to pay their wages.At the risk of been eaten alive, I would try and make two balanced comments:
1. The extra hours was done as a punitive kind of thing and seemed to be driven by some need to placate non-PS workers who had suffered in the recession after GFC.
That sounds fair.2. Many (not all) public servants totally take the proverbial when it comes to flexi. Arriving at 7.30 and/or staying late when there's no work to be done, and building up valuable "flexidays" which are additional leave days. It used to be 1.5 days per month, I think there's been a reduction, is it 1 day per month now?
With a bit of give and take, there could be a win-win all round on hours. Give back the hours but cut out the abuse of Flexi.
Can anyone answer this?Does anybody know who the members of the review body were?
Edit: I can see that Kieran Mulvey and Mr Kevin Duffy are on it but who else was involved?
I think there's way too much emphasis on what State employees get paid. The discussion should be about the structures they work in, the processes that could be streamlines, the sharing of services to remove duplication and the entire structure the State used to deliver services.There is no doubt many in the Public Sector are underpaid for what they do but there are far too many who are overpaid as well and a properly managed HR and management system which properly weeded out poor/non performers or just those who are a waste of space would be a major step forward. Indeed, many of those who I know who work in the Public Sector could list out their colleagues who are little more then passengers that they'd love to see the back of.
Having said that, and having had exposure to the Public sector as a supplier,, I wouldn't work in that area no matter what the money was like, just wouldn't have the patience to deal with the nonsense.
It should also be borne in mind that the pension levy/ASC cut of 6-8% is still in place, and reversal hasn't even been discussed.Again, it should also be borne in mind that PS employees received decreases of between 7.4 % and 6.2 % between 2013 and 2018 reflecting the imposition of pay reductions across all grades. See the difference in the two statements when only one side of the story is reported.
Public sector is hiring if the private sector people think it's so good a job and conditions.
I didn't know that, sorry.It should also be borne in mind that the pension levy/ASC cut of 6-8% is still in place, and reversal hasn't even been discussed.
Again, it should also be borne in mind that PS employees received decreases of between 7.4 % and 6.2 % between 2013 and 2018 reflecting the imposition of pay reductions across all grades. See the difference in the two statements when only one side of the story is reported.
Public sector is hiring if the private sector people think it's so good a job and conditions.
I always thought a pay cut of a bit less than that amount instead of a levy would have been fairer as it would also have reduced pension payments to retired PS employees who are generally wealthier with less debt and far fewer overheads. It is grossly unfair that new entrants on lower wages and less attractive pensions were paying levy to fund pensions of retirees who had enjoyed much better pay, conditions and pensions.It should also be borne in mind that the pension levy/ASC cut of 6-8% is still in place, and reversal hasn't even been discussed.
There was, that's why I said they took the smallest hit and it's being reversed. The Levy imposed to pay for it isn't being reversed.There was a cut to PS pensions in payment.
It was called the PSPR.
Yes.By levy, do you mean the PRD?
I didn't know that, thanks.That has been renamed the ASC, and it has been reversed, somewhat.
| Annual Threshold | Monthly Threshold | Weekly Threshold | Rate 1 | Rate 2 |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| First €34,500 | First €2,875 | First €663.46 | 0% | 0% |
| Next €25,500 | Next €2,125 | Next €490.38 | 3.33% | 10.0% |
| Over €60,000 | Over €5,000 | Over €1,153.84 | 3.5% | 10.5% |