Maybe, it's not my idea.So the suggestion could be that public service employees do not get paid for one of their weeks annual leave.
Something like thatIm not sure what you mean by this : is it "chuir amach do lámh"
I agreed with alot of what you say,there would have to some sort timetable done, as for schools just do not pay them for 1 week of their all to long holiday's ,look of course there would be huge thinking, but our government really need to start realizing that they are the employer,Boss,Gaffer etc, these workers which by the way my wife is and has been for over 11 years need to be treated in the same vain as other employee's are in other companies.I don't know of any other employer in the Country that seem to have to ask permission for every single thing they seem to want to do to improve their company.As mention in an earlier post the 5 days do not have to be taken all at once.Thousands of public service workers take unpaid parental and extended maternity leave every year already!
When you say public sector workers do you mean every category of employment or perhaps you mean just administration/clerical type workers?
For instance do you want junior hospital doctors to take 1 weeks unpaid leave? How about physios, laboratory scientists, nurses, radiographers etc.
If teachers were to take a 1 weeks unpaid leave would they take it all at the same time? Who would take their classes?
I asked if it was the mean or the median, there are different kinds of average, you know!
And where are you getting your figures from? Is 37k the industrial wage average? I don't think its an average for the entire private sector,which is a pretty meaningless figure anyway.
Can you quote your sources?
Agree to a point but from my own family situation, my wife is in Aminstration in Public sector no fancy certificate's behind her or anything and is on 42K for a 36 hour week with 28 days holiday,Not bad is itPeople bandy about these averages as if they had some meaning, without understanding the basics of statistics.
Example, a small company, the boss says the average wage in the company is €30,000 pa, while the union rep says the average wage is €17,000. Is one lying or just mistaken?
Neither, they are both right, they are just using different definitions of average.
boss pays himself €125,000 andthe other eight employees €29,000, €28,000, €21,000,€17,000, €15,000, €13,000, €12000, and €10,000. Add these together and divide by the number of employees, and the average (mean) is €30,000.
The union rep has used a different average, called the median. This is the one that comes in the middle when the numbers are put in order. If you line them up you will see that it is €17,000. Most people would agree that this is a moresensible average to use in these circumstances - unlike the mean, it represents a more typical sort of salary in that firm, and it is not distorted by the anomalously high salary of the boss.
Ever hear of lies, damned lies and statistics?
People bandy about these averages as if they had some meaning, without understanding the basics of statistics.
Example, a small company, the boss says the average wage in the company is €30,000 pa, while the union rep says the average wage is €17,000. Is one lying or just mistaken?
Neither, they are both right, they are just using different definitions of average.
boss pays himself €125,000 andthe other eight employees €29,000, €28,000, €21,000,€17,000, €15,000, €13,000, €12000, and €10,000. Add these together and divide by the number of employees, and the average (mean) is €30,000.
The union rep has used a different average, called the median. This is the one that comes in the middle when the numbers are put in order. If you line them up you will see that it is €17,000. Most people would agree that this is a moresensible average to use in these circumstances - unlike the mean, it represents a more typical sort of salary in that firm, and it is not distorted by the anomalously high salary of the boss.
Ever hear of lies, damned lies and statistics?
Surely the fairer way would be to take an average of the employees wages?
I dont understand your logic of your mean , it is too simplistic , is there a reason why wouldnt use an average of the employees?
I understand that public sector workers on €24k or thereabout have difficult time, just as anyone else. But they still have their jobs and a guaranteed pay cheque at the end of the month unlike a lot of people in the private sector. Private sector workers have suffered so much with job losses, pay cuts, reduced hours, etc. and this applies to everyone from minimum wage employees to senior executives.
Personally I think it's unfair of public sector to constantly whinge and moan about the bad hand they've been dealt with the pension levy, spending cuts, etc. Over a hundred thousand private sector employees have it a lot worse at the moment.
I asked if it was the mean or the median, there are different kinds of average, you know!
And where are you getting your figures from? Is 37k the industrial wage average? I don't think its an average for the entire private sector,which is a pretty meaningless figure anyway.
Can you quote your sources?
Both the median and the mean are commonly referred to as averages, the technical definition is largely irrelevant in common parlance, hence my point. You cannot confidently assert such skewing does not exist without knowing how many are on high salaries.
What part of the public sector do you work and do really not consider people who work in this sector to be very lucky in general with the security of their jobs.No, but when you're dealing with that number of people and with a wide,wide range of professions and job titles, quoting an 'average' salary does not make much sense.
What part of the public sector do you work and do really not consider people who work in this sector to be very lucky in general with the security of their jobs.
No because during the boom years no one wanted the public sector jobs they found it hard to fill positions, now times are bad and the people how went into the public sector are seen as money grabbers how should feel guilty for going into the service when no one else wanted to.
Well tough $hit, no guilt here. I decided to go in and have job security but rubbish pay. You can't have everything in life.
What part of the public sector do you work and do really not consider people who work in this sector to be very lucky in general with the security of their jobs.
Totally inacurate drivel Ron. I tried to get a Public service job in 2003 during the peak of the boom. There were a couple of hundred of us in Croke Park doing those exams and only a handful of jobs.
There are only so many Public service positions available. Quit playing the bleeding "I chose job security" card. The TRUTH is a majority of people in the private sector didnt have a choice but to work in the private sector and a majority of them didnt make millions in the boom years.
I wont write down the salary I was on after 5 years in the private sector, with a business degree, stockbroking diploma and Financial qualifications. Lets just say it was comfortably below the industry average (back then and today) and I know many many people who were stuck with the same paltry salary with similar or better qualifications. I wasnt getting the cushdie (cushdie from where i was looking up from!) benchmarking figures that the poor unfortunate public service workers were getting!
Your constant Private sector bashing is no better then people who call public sector workers as "all lazy". Hypocrite to the core my friend.
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