What credibility could a self proclaimed socialist earning €150k p.a. have?
They're a long way from socialism these days
The other group (public servants) earns 25% more on average than the remaining members of the first group.
They desperately want FF and Green Party gone. That much is clear.Do the unions want a change of government?
Apples and Oranges. Let's start comparing people based on the jobs that they do.http://www.independent.ie/national-news/pay-gap-widens-as-public-sector-earns-25pc-more-1891959.html
Would have thought this was fresh in the memory. I'm not going to argue whether the ESRI got their sums wrong if that's where this is going.
What do you want - cloth caps & mine dust? TUs are entitled to pay to get the best staff to represent them. If the members have a problem with this, they are well capable of addressing it through their own internal mechanisms.What credibility could a self proclaimed socialist earning €150k p.a. have?
The reality is the unions will get a huge mandate from the members for strike action which will be on November 24th. Where does that leave the country? No doubt worse off. The unions are very anxious to flex their muscles and will see this strike as a victory for them. They now look upon it as a war between unions and government and will treat November 24th as first battle won, encouraging them to bigger action ahead. I'm sure many do not want to go on strike but the big union stick is leading them down a road which could be disastrous for the whole country. Do the unions want a change of government? Aren't Fine Gael also stating they would cut the public sector. I think the unions are leading the members very much astray.
Do the unions want a change of government?
I'm not going to argue whether the ESRI got their sums wrong if that's where this is going.
Apples and Oranges.
5. The report is from 2006 ie out of date.
What credibility could a self proclaimed socialist earning €150k p.a. have?
Why wouldn't they? The unions want the Labour Party, the political wing of the public sector union movement, in power. They will then not only wag the dog but long the leash.They desperately want FF and Green Party gone. That much is clear.
But if you are using it to base your arguments on this report then you should back them up.
+1NO I SHOULDN'T ACTUALLY HAVE TO REPLICATE AN ESRI STUDY FIRST HAND IN ORDER TO MAKE A POINT HERE
This is a discussion forum and we all have our own jobs. I'm not going to live my life either saying nothing or having to back up the reports of reputable research institutes. I know you guys would love to silence the ESRI and will argue to the death with its findings. Take off your blindfold and accept that the findings of an independent research institute paint a pretty accurate picture of an unbiased reality.
But if you are using it to base your arguments on this report then you should back them up.
1. The ESRI report is flawed, it doesn't take into account the pension levy (wage cut).
2. It doesn't compare 'like for like jobs' I mean it compares a Garda's wage to a security guard wage as 'like for like'.
3. It has included the likes of the very highly paid semi-state employees in their deliberations, are semi-state employees paid by the dept of finance if not they should not have been included in the report.
4. The semi-state employees do not pay the pension levy.quote]
+1. Making these points is not obfuscation.
But if you are using it to base your arguments on this report then you should back them up.+ 1 , if posters feel that the above do not flaw the ERSI post then let's hear their arguments.1. The ESRI report is flawed, it doesn't take into account the pension levy (wage cut).
2. It doesn't compare 'like for like jobs' I mean it compares a Garda's wage to a security guard wage as 'like for like'.
3. It has included the likes of the very highly paid semi-state employees in their deliberations, are semi-state employees paid by the dept of finance if not they should not have been included in the report.
4. The semi-state employees do not pay the pension levy.quote]
+1. Making these points is not obfuscation.
Unions are fairly democratic institutions. You could put down a motion at your local branch, and get your branch to raise the matter with the head honchos. You could run for office yourself, like other union members do, and use your influence to change things for the better.I was a member of SIPTU so how could I have addressed the salary scale paid to officals and to whom could I have complained exactly? My local shop steward? They're just mouth pieces for the union bosses.
+ 1 , if posters feel that the above do not flaw the ERSI post then let's hear their arguments.