roytheboyo
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It's another approach firefly - no doubt. However, call me a cynic but given our experience in this instance - and the manner in which public sector bodies are run (and this has NOT changed in any meaningful way despite these times of 'austerity' and crisis), I think we would find ourselves in very much a weaker position rather than stronger as a direct consequence.The other approach that you could consider is that by explicitely paying a service charge you should be in a stronger position to argue that the LA take over your estate.
No - never mentioned that. From the little I know, going down a direct legal route is not a decision to be taken lightly. Just being right isn't enough - these things can clock up quite a lot of billing hours and are not likely to get resolved any faster.You mentioned you have engaged the services of a solicitor...perhaps something to ask him/her about...
Firefly said:Quote:Originally Posted by Bronte
On another positive note, from my Greek friends who I was discussing this with, as you do. Apparently services have actually improved there, because.... the civil servants are being more productive as they are afraid of losing their jobs. But trust me we don't want to go anywhere near the pain the Greeks have.
If this were a reality here I have no doubt that things would improve, but sadly it's not. Until the local authorities face consequences things won't change. In fact, if they get money from this new tax from people voluntarliy* then there is little incentive for them to cut costs/improve services.
roytheboyo said:The reason i am not paying is that my local authority could not manage a waterfight.
Anyone see a theme forming here? i.e. the shameless mismanagement of public money. Everyone knows it - it's no secret. This is where the heavy lifting needs to be done. I know it really is heavy lifting - but that's what this government need to tackle. Maybe we might actually find that we don't have a shortfall/deficit in national spending if this was tackled? And thereafter, maybe people would be far more inclined to pay a service charge...oldnick said:Back in zombie land here we've tens of thousands of useless pen pushers who believe that they'll earn good wages and pensions for ever.
I knew that was where you were heading. However, I beg to differ on your rationale here given my account of my situation. As previously stated, I am in favour - in principal - of a property tax. Notwithdstanding that, how could it be reasonable to expect me (and there are thousands of others in exactly the same situation in respect of their own estates)to pay an alleged service provider who has treated me with utter contempt and failed miserably to provide the most basic, fundamental service i.e. taking my estate in-charge.You see how hopping mad you are at those who don't pay in your estate, well I feel like that about you.
I'm not sure where your going with that? This is not personal - but it is situational and the points I raised stand. As regards them not caring whether we pay or not, you think it doesn't mean anything if 70% don't pay? At a more local level, you think that it doesn't mean anything when we have made it clear to our local representative that we don't intend to pay?Yes you are right to be annoyed at the council, but they are not a somebody, they don't have feelings and don't care if you pay or not.
Ah yes, instilling fear is a great motivator! We had that with the 2nd democratic referendum - you know the one..where the people said 'no' so the democratic thing to do was vote again.You are biting off your nose to spit your fact by not paying the charge, no matter what you do you will eventually have to pay it and heftly, you and the others in your estate should be sure that you are aware of the implications.
Ok, so you have identified that there is something fundamentally wrong with these public authorities - yet you will add more fuel to the fire by throwing more hard earned money at them? Again, I have to call on monagts analogy - it's akin to offering a free bar to an alcoholic.The council
Yes they are incompetant and wasteful, all over the country. They don't reply to your letters etc. Well how do you make them reply. Have you tried hiring a solicitor. Do they ignore your letters altogether? Have you tried meeting with them. Would bombarding them with letters work? What works with councils, does anyone know?
This really doesn't matter. Either the developer finishes it or the council accesses the bond and does it. Where is the grey area? Where is the need for further discussion? It really IS that simple. But of course, this is all dependent upon what way the council would prefer this to play out....and we know exactly what that is.If he files accounts, he's still in business, but does he have assets, is he a 'mark' would he go bust if pursued, is he liable for completing, does your contract with the builder have anything on that, these are questions you might want to ask the solicitor who did the purchase for you
He was issued with a notice of non-compliance with one aspect of his planning consent. He ignored it. You talk about legal avenues - you must be worldly enough to know that this is a route that requires a lot of thought before taking such an option. We are a development of less than 30 dwellings - where just 50% are actively contributing to efforts with this. All in negative equity - and like the rest of society, dealing with their own financial woes to varying extents.Enforcement notice
What exactly is this. The council issues a document with this title to the builder telling him to complete the estate? And when he doesn't what is the next legal step and how do you get them to bring the builder to court. Presumably this document has some legal weight, does it have to be the council to bring the case, and how does one force them. More questions for your solicitor.
No - I don't see the irony at all. See the first point I made at the beginning of this very post. They are NOT comparable. To refresh your memory, I AM in favour of a property tax in principal - and WILL pay this SERVICE charge the moment our estate is taken in charge by the SERVICE provider i.e. the Co.Co.Residents forced to pay maintenance charges
Do you see the irony of the fact you wish it were the law that your neighbours pay these charges in your estate but you don't want to pay the household charge. I do agree with you though, I think there should be a mechanism to force everybody to pay up. It works on the continent.
What is he doing? Well, when all is said and done - nothing tangible insofar as I can see. It was discussed on local radio as recently as last Sunday - not specifically regarding our estate - but again, this reinforces the point of just how many people are affected by this.Local representative
What exactly is he doing to help? Does he bring it up at council meetings. Can you go to a higher level. Have you thought about writing letters to your local newspaper complaining about the council.
I truly do see your viewpoint - as I think you now see mine - but I think it's a case that we nevertheless will have to agree to disagree as regards my stance on non-payment of the household charge.On another positive note, from my Greek friends who I was discussing this with, as you do. Apparently services have actually improved there, because.... the civil servants are being more productive as they are afraid of losing their jobs. But trust me we don't want to go anywhere near the pain the Greeks have.
Any chance of some examples of the services you're missing out on?
Frank Fitzgibbon @FrankSunTimes
Sindo says Phil Hogan hasn't paid €4,320 management charge on apartment in Portugal. He says he's in a dispute over services provided
I Ok, so you have identified that there is something fundamentally wrong with these public authorities - yet you will add more fuel to the fire by throwing more hard earned money at them? .
Frank Fitzgibbon @FrankSunTimes
Sindo says Phil Hogan hasn't paid €4,320 management charge on apartment in Portugal. He says he's in a dispute over services provided
Frank Fitzgibbon @FrankSunTimes
Sindo says Phil Hogan hasn't paid €4,320 management charge on apartment in Portugal. He says he's in a dispute over services provided
No Joke and Phil is upset at the exposure of his private biz
just a load of twaddle really.
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