Yes.
Was there industrial action last time pay was cut?
And would you approve of such action?
I was thinking about this today,and to be honest I see no sign of it around my area.
I don't know any one where I live that has lost their jobs,the cars are from 06 to 10, the extensions and garden work is on going.A lot of the houses would have been purchased at the height of the boom,so presumably the mortgages are big.
The local cafes still have the morning crew for coffee etc,the pubs are quiet Monday to Thursday,but I think that has more to do with the smoking ban.The shopping centre/hair dressers/beauticians is still busy,the kids are still doing their after school activity's,etc etc,.
I don't mean for those who have lost their jobs,but for those who still have jobs,how much has it affected you personally..
I suppose what Im saying is that their are still a lot of people who have jobs, OK their income has been reduced,but it doesn't seem to be badly affecting what they do,and by doing what they are doing ie; spending money,they are obviously keeping others in jobs.
If the Croke Park agreement is not honoured and pay cuts are imposed and if subsequently industrial action is mandated by members then yes I would support such action.
Lots of ifs and buts before it comes to that however and I do expect the CP agreement to be honoured.
However as current events may tempt the Government to break the agreement I think that it behoves the unions to emphasise the consequences that will follow such a betrayal of faith .
How about you , do you approve of such industrial action ?
So Deiseblue, given the following three options where for arguments sake, the savings made for option 1 and 2 are the same, which option do you prefer?
Option 1: Scrap the CP agreement, keep the number of staff and reduce pay for all current PS staff to achieve the required savings
Option 2: Keep the CP agreement but reduce the number of staff to achieve the required savings
Option 3: Keep the CP agreement and the number of staff and look elsewhere for the required savings (and if so exactly where do you propose they find them?)
Maybe we can conclude this by saying;
There have been SEVEN THOUSAND PS who have expressed an interest in taking the deal..
This would indicate that they can see that the writing is on the wall.
And finally that the IMF are coming and they know this,and therefore want to get out before it is no longer voluntary,but compulsory..
How about you , do you approve of such industrial action ?
And would you approve of such action?
Well you started the rhetorical questions
OK, so you have stated that if the union were mandated you would support them as a matter of principle - but do you, personally think it is fair or reasonable to instigate disruptive industrial action given the current circumstances - leaving aside for a moment the Croke park agreement?
My rationale was based on the CP agreement not being honoured.
You cannot leave the CP agreement out of the equation.
I'm not quite sure what you are asking me.
. Public sector employees seem to imply that they have had it tough because they have had two pay cuts, pension contributions etc. - but I don't think things are that bad when you compare say, 2006 net pay levels with 2010 ones. Increments and pay scale increases have been generous over the past few years - so from what I can see net pay levels are, at worst, back to 2006 levels - maybe a couple of percent lower for those who didn't get an increment in that time. A far cry from the 'I've taken 13% pay cuts' moans we often see/hear about. Tell us the progression over the past few years before you look for sympathy..
Yes, and since 2006 a lot of public servants have bought houses on mortgages based on their existing salary and pay scale at the time..Those salaries were set in stone at the time, as public service salaries usually were. So people who took on a mortgage on the basis of a secure salary and a guaranteed pay scale, and who assumed they were making an informed decision, are really struggling now.
Yes, and since 2006 a lot of public servants have bought houses on mortgages based on their existing salary and pay scale at the time..Those salaries were set in stone at the time, as public service salaries usually were. So people who took on a mortgage on the basis of a secure salary and a guaranteed pay scale, and who assumed they were making an informed decision, are really struggling now.
A lot of people's salaries have dropped to zero from the salary that they based their mortgage repayments on.
You're missing my point. Public Servants, and the banks lending them money, were lead to believe their salaries were fixed in stone, so the stress testing would have taken that into account.
Why would anyone's salary be set in stone? Are you claiming that there is no way that a Public Servant can lose their job? Or become ill and unable to work?
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