But you still need to tag off either on the bus when getting off or at the bus stop so it can calculate the fare so a Luas like system would be next to impossible to use.
No mention of 'tagging off' the bus on the instructions on leapcard.ie - the full 2.20 is charged if you tag on using the reader on the right side. If you want a lower fare, you have to use the driver's ticket machine.
Yeah I know. It's just when people are saying that it is a shame that they didn't introduce the same system as the Luas, it's not practical. People tag on and off the Luas at the various stops. Since you can't expect Dublin bus to put a machine at every single stop, people would need to tag on and off on the bus but then you would have people getting off the bus competing with people getting on the bus to tag on and off. Think it works better for rail rather than buses. Years since I used buses in london. Is it the same there does anyone know?
No mention of 'tagging off' the bus on the instructions on leapcard.ie - the full 2.20 is charged if you tag on using the reader on the right side. If you want a lower fare, you have to use the driver's ticket machine.
Like i said earlier - its a stupid system for Dublin Bus. Even if they cannot put readers at every stop, i'm sure they could have used a better system than the one they have implemented. How do other countries do it ? Dublin is hardly a major metropolis like, say, Toronto.
Virtually 95% of Dublin Buses are 1 door only - if the fleet was 2 door you could tag off at the rear door - they're not so you can't.
I noticed this was being implemented when I lived in Dublin. Seems absurd. Was there ever any official reason for this because it seems to be the norm everywhere else.
I've heard a couple of reasons - bus stops not correctly aligned so drivers fearful of being sued for people injuring themselves getting off buses at the rear doors - fear of people bunking onto the buses and not paying - the amount of time I saw our European brethren obediently waiting at the middle doors (where there was a sign saying exit by middle doors only) to be let off only to be shouted at by the driver to come up front!
I'd blame the drivers mostly, the buses were bought with double doors and then not used.
The smart card devices are already on the buses. I'm guessing that the limitation is that they are not location sensitive - so they have no GPS tracker or other technology that will let the smartcard reader know what stop they are at when the person tags on.
Any chance of a suggestion rather than a rant?
Virtually 95% of Dublin Buses are 1 door only - if the fleet was 2 door you could tag off at the rear door - they're not so you can't. If you were to tag off at the front (only) door you would be blocking people getting onto the bus leading to longer dwell times at the stops leading to longer journey times leading to fewer passengers.
The only solution is a flat fare which given that DB are losing money hand over fist leads to real trepidation as to what level the flat fare should be set at, it's not as easy as you seem to think.
So the existing technology has location capacity, I presume manually updated by the driver as they move from stage to stage.
Aren't buses now 'location aware' (aka GPS) to support the real time information on some bus stops ?
Well, this is letting off steam forum so I'm entitled to rant !
My initial post had a suggestion - tagon/tagoff, like rail.
As for dwell times, have you ever waited behind a passenger while they searched for their exact change ...
Also, their prepaid cards for lower-fare journies were quite good until they withdrew them. Now i have to carry 1.20 for every bus journey. Progress ?
Aren't buses now 'location aware' (aka GPS) to support the real time information on some bus stops ?
It had already been pointed out what the difficulties in tagging off in a single door situation are before you made your ill-informed point.
If you're paying 1.20 for your journey you should probably walk though you will get a discount if you use the leap card. It will entail talking to the bus driver though having a card should be quicker than fumbling for change.
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