I wish i was young enough to have so much certaintyI note that tecate has 100% thrown in the towel, elac has done so 99% and even the B/S has got offside to the tune of 80%. It is nice to think that these pages have convinced at least some of our fallen brethren of the error of their ways On the other hand I don't think anyone who has dipped into the discussion will have been encouraged to take the plunge.