From BOSIs point of view having loans out to customers at 1.75% or whatever while the money is costing them 4% or whatever means that they are losing money on the deal each year. €2,250 per annum is my estimate. I don't know what the actual cost to BOSI is,( I doubt their own board actually knows) but the €2,250 should not be far off.
Generally banks finance themselves from month to month so the cost to them of your loan varies, it does not matter when you took out the loan. This is a very stupid way for banks to do business as any first year accountancy student could tell them and is the root cause of the crisis, but thats a different discussion.
So if you pay off your loan early the bank saves €2,250 each year, you should expect them to share this saving with you.
The second, separate, question is where will you get the money to pay off the loan, and what will that cost you, i.e. your cost of capital. If you have the money on deposit at 3% then it will cost you €1,250 a year to pay off the loan, so your discount would need to be more than this PER ANNUM.
To work this through with simple figures.
Mortgage 100,000 1 full year left at 2%. Interest cost €2,000
Cash on deposit €100,000 earning 3% interest. Income €3,000
Take the money from the deposit and repay the mortgage. You lose €1,000
BOSI would need to accept an offer of less than €99,000 to settle the loan before you are interested.
Multiply the discount required by each year left on the loan.
This ignores tax. Dirt on deposit interest and tax relief on loan payments if applicable both tend to reduce the amount of discount needed.
In summary €2,000 per €100,000 loan balance per year remaining seems like a good rule of thumb for a discount.
BOSI wants out of Ireland they may be willing to accept less. All the best to anyone trying this and please let us know how it goes.
cremeegg, your calculations don't take account of the reducing balance on TRS30's loan - they would only be correct for interest-only loans like riya99's. TRS30's balance now is 435,000 but in the final year of a 20 year mortgage, the amount outstanding will only be 25K-30K and the 'cost to bank' of the tracker interest would be only a few hundred euros, not 8,600.
I think a cleaner way to look at it is to look at the cost of repaying at the tracker rate vs. the cost of repaying at the bank's cost of borrowing. Essentially, the bank is repaying a loan to another bank over 20 years at 4% but only receiving income from a loan being repaid over 20 years at 1.9% - so they have to make up the shortfall.
435K over 20 years at 1.9% would cost €2,180 per month and 435K over 20 years at 4% would cost €2,620 per month. So every month for 20 years, the bank has to top up the €2,180 they get from TRS30 by €440 of their own money so that they can repay the interbank loan.
€440 * 240 months = €105,600 which has a 5% NPV of about 67K.
however what annoyed me was they went on to say that if there was any arrears that they would charge the full amount of interest on this and if I didn't keep up full repayments my houses was at risk etc etc.
HI TRS
You might find that it is a requirement of the Code and they have no choice but to say it.
HI TRS
You might find that it is a requirement of the Code and they have no choice but to say it.
Hi al,
BOSI will not do a deal on private homes no matter what the interest rate is and how much money they are losing. They will most definitely not do a deal if you are not in arrears and comfortable financially! This is from my experience of dealing with them and Certus on a daily basis.
They are scared of doing deals on private homes due to the fact that they are owned by Lloyds who have 10 times the amount of home mortgages in the UK than they have here and if they start to "do deals" on home mortgages here it would potentially bring down the whole bank in the UK as all the UK borrowers would look for deals as well.
Deals are being done on commercial BOS loans, which I work on, and very few are being done and only in exceptional cases on residential mortgages.
The majority of the wording on their letters about arrears and the risk to your home is from a template and you will get this in all replies.
Hope this helps.
Hi TRS30,
Did BOSI come back with a counter offer and have you just dropped this?
Would be interested in finding out as I have 390k with another 30 years to run and ecb +.75.
No rush to pay it off but if they made it worth my while then they could get 1 tracker off their books.
Hi TRS. This is fact. Not my opinion.
I am unsure of your second question.
As regards the shortfall, it all depends on your financial circumstances, but there are certain ways to deal with this.
Hi MaxRuby. I am unable to PM you
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