Government to begin paying older people to downsize

[Gordon Gekko]

I wonder to people who indulge in pupulist rants recognise that they are indulging in populist rants? Whether that be left wing populist rants or right wong populist rants?

The populist stuff is left wing, just in case you hadn’t noticed.

 

[RETIRED2017]

I wonder to people who indulge in pupulist rants recognise that they are indulging in populist rants? Whether that be left wing populist rants or right wong populist rants?

There is lots of populist Right-wing stuff going on across the water from us at present there are lots of the same kind north and south of Ireland ,
In the UK the right-wing don't notice the think populist stuff is all left-wing also.

 

[Firefly]

There is lots of populist Right-wing stuff going on across the water from us at present there are lots of the same kind north and south of Ireland ,
In the UK the right-wing don't notice the think populist stuff is all left-wing .

If the right wing and there fellow travellers had not got there way in 1983/4 things would have being a lot better for the people who lost there jobs in 2008,

Hopefully yours in time, With a little help from the missguided right wing and there fellow travellers

The right wing always get there before them, Left wing only threaten, It is Right Wing who have taken 52% and still rising,

The right wing never get dizzy seeing they wear there blindfold all the time,

Are you expecting our right wing government and the mother in law to support you,

Hi RETIRED2017,

Just wondering...Which way are you hanging today?

Firefly.

 

[Firefly]

The sad reality of this country is that we have three main cohorts of people: 1) People who work and keep the show on the road 2) Genuinely unfortunate people who need the help and support of the first cohort 3) Parasitic scum who are stealing from the first and second cohort

I think cohort 3 needs to be further broken down into two: those breaking the law and those just on the take. The first group are those Purple mentioned, (often) professionals doing work off the books / for cash and not paying tax. I'm not condoning it, but we do have Revenue, the Gardai and the court system to prosecute these people. The first group though, those that "couldn't be bothered", are not breaking any law and are represented by the likes of SF and PBP. It's these people, who could have but didn't bother, that the government is now proposing to offer financial incentives to, after subsidising their housing costs for decades.

 

[RETIRED2017]

Hi RETIRED2017,

Just wondering...Which way are you hanging today?

Firefly.

Enjoying watching right-wing voters/supporters beating themselves up and taken to the cleaners by there own,

While the people they support for free are putting there hands in there pockets and robbing them to buy a few left-wing votes ,

The Right-wing in Ireland are like the right-wing in the UK the blame everyone but themselves ,
In Ireland the right-wing vote for left-wing outcomes,
For all of my lifetime we had left-wing Government elected by right-wing whinging supporters who do not know any better and no sign of the penny dropping any time soon,

 

[RETIRED2017]

I think cohort 3 needs to be further broken down into two: those breaking the law and those just on the take. The first group are those Purple mentioned, (often) professionals doing work off the books / for cash and not paying tax. I'm not condoning it, but we do have Revenue, the Gardai and the court system to prosecute these people. The first group though, those that "couldn't be bothered", are not breaking any law and are represented by the likes of SF and PBP. It's these people, who could have but didn't bother, that the government is now proposing to offer financial incentives to, after subsidising their housing costs for decades.

They were spawned by FG/FF they still chasing this vote, SF and PBP are to the right of FG/FF when you look at the outcome of FG/FF actions,

The so called right-wing Government are mortgaging there own right-wings supporters future the left-wing are enjoying the ride,

Paying people to down size is taking and transfer more hard earned wealth from there right-wing supporters to the left-wing without frightening the Horses,

 

[Early Riser]

The populist stuff is left wing, just in case you hadn’t noticed.

There is lots of populist Right-wing stuff going on across the water from us at present there are lots of the same kind north and south of Ireland ,
In the UK the right-wing don't notice the think populist stuff is all left-wing also.

I don't think that its just in the UK that this applies to. Both sides don't seem to realise (or admit?) how much they mirror each other - and need each other to feed from.

I wonder to people who indulge in pupulist rants recognise that they are indulging in populist rants? Whether that be left wing populist rants or right wing populist rants?

It would seem that the answer to my question is "No" !

"What is populism?

That’s a vexed question. Populism is usually described as a strategic approach that frames politics as a battle between the virtuous, “ordinary” masses and a nefarious or corrupt elite.

It can be used by politicians who are either left- or rightwing, and occasionally neither.

It is not sustained by a single consistent ideology or issue position. In the words of the leading populism scholar Cas Mudde, it is “a thin-centred ideology that considers society to be ultimately separated into two homogenous and antagonistic camps, ‘the pure people’ versus ‘the corrupt elite’”.

He also says that populists tend argue that politics should be an expression of the general will of the people, while others stress populists often have a “Manichean” world view, breaking politics into a binary view of good or evil."
https://www.theguardian.com/news/2018/dec/03/what-is-populism-trump-farage-orban-bolsonaro

"In the description of society and the problems of the welfare state, populists, especially right-wing populists and welfare chauvinists, use a line of argument based on two extremes in which citizens are divided into 'nourishing' and 'debilitating' groups. The nourishing group consists of those who are a part of society's welfare and the country's prosperity: community builders; "the people"; the ordinary honest working man. The second group as standing outside of "the people" are the debilitating group, believed to be promoting or utilizing welfare without adding any value to society." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right-wing_populism

 

[Folsom]

Well this topic has taken on many facets!

 

[RETIRED2017]

They were spawned by FG/FF they still chasing this vote, SF and PBP are to the right of FG/FF when you look at the outcome of FG/FF actions,

The so called right-wing Government are mortgaging there own right-wings supporters future the left-wing are enjoying the ride,

Paying people to down size is taking and transfer more hard earned wealth from there right-wing supporters to the left-wing without frightening the Horses,

Instead of guilt-tripping people about the alleged “homelessness” of young families, why not focus on people recklessly having children when they’re broke or social welfare fraud involving fathers purporting not to live with mothers?

The sad reality of this country is that we have three main cohorts of people: 1) People who work and keep the show on the road 2) Genuinely unfortunate people who need the help and support of the first cohort 3) Parasitic scum who are stealing from the first and second cohort

That Owen Keegan chap was pilloried recently for having the gall to suggest that certain groups are “choosing” homelessness. The sooner people wake up and smell the propaganda being spouted by the likes of Sinn Fein/IRA, the PPP/AAA clowns, and populist fools like Emmet Kirwan, the better.

Cohort 3 and their apologists should be the ones residing under a rock but it’s the normal people who we need to hear more of.

Gordon have you read , GOVERNMENT TO BEGIN PAYING OLDER PEOPLE TO DOWNSIZE,has the penny dropped,

The government who are proposing this is FG they are in power with the help of FF and right-wing Independents ,

The only TDs who do not support this Government are the likes of SF/ppp/AAA /LABOUR and a few Independents,how could you be hoodwinked into thinking SF/PPP/AAA are the Government,

 

[Purple]

I think Retired2017's issue is that the right wing in Ireland isn't right wing enough but is in fact just more left wing populism.
I'm not sure I agree with him.