Gardai not acting on Interpol Information - RE Child Pornograpic Images

Havealaugh said:
In this case Mcdowell should go - he has ultimate responsibility for Justice in this country, the good old people of Ireland don't give a toss though (excuse the expletive).

Sad really.



And answers should be DEMANDED BY US - The Electorate, someone has to be accountable.
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I am not defending Mr McDowell but getting rid of the political head would only serve to take the heat off the deeper structural problems within the Gardai. Another politician would replace him and nothing would have changed.
The real question is what action can he take against those responsible?
 
Havealaugh said:
So accountability is not important then ?:confused:
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No, accountability is important. It's important that the right people are accountable and that the chances of the same mistake happening again are reduced. Given that human errors do happen it is important that systems are put in place that minimise the chances of them occurring. When they do occur the systems have to be looked at and improved. That is more important than sacking anyone. If this does not happen then the minister should go as he is responsible for the structures within his department. He is not responsible for the stupidity of a particular individual in a huge organisation. To suggest that he should be is nether rational or reasonable. If it were ministers would only last a week at a time.
This applies to ministers from any party of in any government.
 
Agree with Purple. We can't expect McDowell to be held accountable for this - he cannot personally oversee everything. However, this having been brought to his attention, he would be accountable if he failed to address what appears to be a failing in the system and correct it.
 
Last time I checked, the Minister for Justice was neither responsible nor accountable for operational procedures within An Garda Siochana - this is the role of the Garda Commissioner.
 
ubiquitous said:
Last time I checked, the Minister for Justice was neither responsible nor accountable for operational procedures within An Garda Siochana - this is the role of the Garda Commissioner.
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Yes, but he answers to the minister. The minister says "fix the problem" and the Commissioner says "yes Boss". That's the way it is and it's 100% the way it should be.
 
Glenbhoy said:
Is an IP address not of very little use anyway - most ISP's here don't provide users with static IP addresses, so would that not negate the usefulness, additionally would people using these sites not use proxy servers which would mask the real IP address?
The only clearcut evidence would have to be the money trail, I don't think anything else would stand up in a court of law, as even if they found the computer with images etc, who's to know who actually accessed those images, at least with the credit card authorisations etc, you've established a pretty good probability that the owner of the card is culpable.
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As far as I know the directive mentioned [broken link removed] or specific Irish legislation relating to it applies for the past year or more so this would help in terms of using IP address and sites/URLs accessed in the course of an investigation of certain suspected crimes.
 
Purple said:
No, accountability is important. It's important that the right people are accountable and that the chances of the same mistake happening again are reduced. Given that human errors do happen it is important that systems are put in place that minimise the chances of them occurring.......
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I'm not sure who, ultimately, should be held accountable for this, but the difference between here and the UK when this kind of thing happens is always interesting. eg Charles Clarke offered to resign as Home Secretary when it was discovered that over a thousand foreign prisoners had been freed, rather than deported. It wasn't his personal failure, but he took responsibility for what happened in his dept. There are countless other examples that I can't think of now, but you rarely get an Irish minister taking that degree of responsibility.

As for this Irish case, systems certainly need to be improved but I don't think systems were the problem here, the humans at the centre of it were.
 
Bushfire said:
I'm not sure who, ultimately, should be held accountable for this, but the difference between here and the UK when this kind of thing happens is always interesting. eg Charles Clarke offered to resign as Home Secretary when it was discovered that over a thousand foreign prisoners had been freed, rather than deported. It wasn't his personal failure, but he took responsibility for what happened in his dept. There are countless other examples that I can't think of now, but you rarely get an Irish minister taking that degree of responsibility.

As for this Irish case, systems certainly need to be improved but I don't think systems were the problem here, the humans at the centre of it were.
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But when the police shot a Brazilian going about his business the home secretary didn't offer to resign. Come to think of it when the prime minister invaded a country on utterly false information and plunged it into a civil war that has claimed over 30'000 lives he didn't offer to resign. The British have a long history of resigning for the small stuff and brazening it out on the big stuff. I wouldn't hold them up as an example of virtue.
 
Purple said:
But when the police shot a Brazilian going about his business the home secretary didn't offer to resign. Come to think of it when the prime minister invaded a country on utterly false information and plunged it into a civil war that has claimed over 30'000 lives he didn't offer to resign. The British have a long history of resigning for the small stuff and brazening it out on the big stuff. I wouldn't hold them up as an example of virtue.
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Trust me, I'd be the last to hold the British up as the perfect example of virtue, I certainly don't remember any NI Secretaries resigning after the sundry murders committed by the security forces in the north over the years.

I simply made the point that there are examples of their ministers taking responsibility for things that went drastically wrong in their depts, Clarke being one, which I just can't ever remember happening here.
 
Bushfire said:
Trust me, I'd be the last to hold the British up as the perfect example of virtue, I certainly don't remember any NI Secretaries resigning after the sundry murders committed by the security forces in the north over the years.
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I also don't remember the Irish minister of justice resigning over the garda collaboration with the IRA.
 
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