Fianna Fáil and Fine Gael coalition

the shinners have forced ff/fg to go into coalition togeather, something that would have been unheard of a few years back. thats going to cost them some of their hard line vote in both parties come the next election. joining togeather to form one party will buy them a little more time but inevitable the left will prevail, parties of the center hold no appeal anymore for the younger voters anymore.
 
blueband said:
the shinners have forced ff/fg to go into coalition togeather, something that would have been unheard of a few years back. thats going to cost them some of their hard line vote in both parties come the next election. joining togeather to form one party will buy them a little more time but inevitable the left will prevail, parties of the center hold no appeal anymore for the younger voters anymore.
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Younger voters tend to grow older and move towards the middle.
What will really hurt the Shinners will be their first term in government because no amount of rhetoric or populist soundbites or pseudo-socialism will change reality. I don't believe that the far left populism of SF will even get enough support to form a government. They may go into coalition though with someone like a resurgent Labour Party and a basket of loony-left and local issue TD's but Labour are generally rational and are democratic so it may not be a comfortable marriage.
 
Peanuts20 said:
  • Who decriminalised homosexuality? FF
  • Who brought in gay marriage?- FG
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A FG-led government proposed both divorce referendums, repeal of eighth amendment and the Gender Recognition Act.

FF decriminalised homosexual activity for sure but 5 years after a European Court ruling obliged them to.....
 
NoRegretsCoyote said:
FF decriminalised homosexual activity for sure but 5 years after a European Court ruling obliged them to.....
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There are plenty of rulings against our laws that we have chosen to ignore for decades. It's churlish to suggest that it was only done because they were forced to do it. Michael martin mentioned that Pride should have been on last weekend and commented on how far we have come in a generation.
Having spent some time in the US I have seen what real conservatism looks like and it's frightening.
 
@Purple

Personally I think nuclear energy is the solution to global warming. The Irish Greens hate nuclear though, so I'm going to describe them as an anti-environmentalist party.
 
Drakon said:
There were many private member bills from opposition TDs that would never have passed in the four years of the 32nd Dáil had FF and FG been in coalition. The weakness in numbers of FG meant that these got through, helped by FF.
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That's a fair point. But many opposition bills are similar in principle to government party bills anyway. The debates start over the wording of particular sections, what is included, not included etc.
 
Invariably what happens, though less so during Dáil 32’s “new politics”, the government votes the bill down, re-writes and massages it, and votes it in.
 
Even if you were to put SF's unsavoury associations to one side, why do people think SF in power here would be any better than they have been up north? They'd have the country bankrupt within 2 years.
 
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