The feed their cows eat comes from Brazil anyway so Irish beef isn't as green as people claim (though it is greener than most).I subsidise the low-cost diesel for their massive tractors. I subsidise the low motor-tax for these work vehicles. I subsidise their subsidies and the farmers' dole and the other backhanders they get. Bring in the Brazilizn beef or switch to eating fish.
As the subsidies they receive for the tractors are to have them used to work the land, will we see the government look for claw-backs now they've been used for activities not designated? Will we hell!
I subsidise the low-cost diesel for their massive tractors. I subsidise the low motor-tax for these work vehicles. I subsidise their subsidies and the farmers' dole and the other backhanders they get. Bring in the Brazilizn beef or switch to eating fish
Pharma also produces the tonnes of artificial fertilisers used by Irish farmers to promote the crops of grass needed to feed Irish beef and the tonnes of pesticides and herbicides used in intensive meat farming here, as well as the chemicals fed to cattle, poultry and sheep to keep them disease-free in intensive environments. Have you noticed the metres of black plastic blowing funereally from hedge-rows? They come from farmers, wrapping from silage.Have any of the advocates here of bringing in Brazilian beef ever actually tasted it? Are you aware of what pharma products the farmers over there use while rearing the cattle?
And what of the Amazon forests being cut down as the Brazilian beef industry grows?
The cheques in the post have been arriving in Irish farmers post for decades. These are the direct subsidies, I don't get them. The difference between what I pay for diesel and motor-tax for my car and what farmers pay for the tractors they used to inconvenience their customers on the roads are indirect subsidies. For decades farmers and their families magically qualified for full State retirement pensions, never having paid a red cent in PRSI or "stamps". PAYE workers like myself subsidise these.Respectfully, you subsidize sod all. Take a look at your paid tax, chances are you, your family, your community are subsidized.
The reason you can afford an abundance of fresh meat at relatively stable prices, daily, weekly, yearly etc has nothing to do with with "subsidies".
The difference between what I pay for
Funnily enough, I haven't. And I head West a lot over the course of the year. Perhaps you visit a particular blackspot for that type of littering but there's no 'funerals' hanging from the ditches where I grew up.Pharma also produces the tonnes of artificial fertilisers used by Irish farmers to promote the crops of grass needed to feed Irish beef and the tonnes of pesticides and herbicides used in intensive meat farming here, as well as the chemicals fed to cattle, poultry and sheep to keep them disease-free in intensive environments. Have you noticed the metres of black plastic blowing funereally from hedge-rows? They come from farmers, wrapping from silage.
Respectfully, you subsidize sod all. Take a look at your paid tax, chances are you, your family, your community are subsidized.
The reason you can afford an abundance of fresh meat at relatively stable prices, daily, weekly, yearly etc has nothing to do with with your "subsidies".
a van driver pays tax on his diesel a farmer does not thats a subsidy. But the fact that people try to deny the existence of the subsidy makes rational debate difficult
Meat would be much cheaper if restrictions on third country suppliers were removed. And poor African and Latin. American farmers could make a better living to boot.
You may not be denying it, but many farmers seem to be in denial that their neighbours subsidise their lifestyle, compulsorily through their taxes.There is no denial of the subsidy.
Unfortunately Revenue don't seem to see it that way.If anyone of us were to disappear tomorrow with our tax contributions nobody would bat an eyelid.
My only point is that in the midst of the inconveniences of the farmer protests is a collective of people who are heavily invested in their industry, the returns of which are being squeezed.
Which challenges the notion that if South American producers could provide cheaper beef, would retailers/restaurants necessarily pass on the benefits? There is reasonable evidence that they would not.
You may not be denying it, but many farmers seem to be in denial that their neighbours subsidise their lifestyle, compulsorily through their taxes.
Unfortunately Revenue don't seem to see it that way.
I am sure many other posters on here currently, paid amounts in tax equal to the salary of a Garda recruit or a newly qualified school teacher.
That was the case 20 years ago, what we are seeing now is the farmers who spent 20 years of subsidy without a thought to the day it would run out, and now instead of being prepared for the future they are demanding subsidies run forever
Quite possibly they would not, but consumers would be spending their money as they wished in supermarkets or restaurants, not having it taken from them in the form of taxes to subsidise the lifestyles of farmers.
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