markowitzman
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delgirl said:IMO, the law is biased in favour of criminals where law abiding people in their own homes are required to calibrate the extent of the menace before being allowed to defend their loved ones and property.
Murt10 said:Going back maybe 10 -15 years ago wasn't there a bunch of travellers who went round the Country attacking robbing and tieing up old people living in isolated areas on their own.
Whilst my heart wouldn't disagree, my head wonders if there is any evidence that longer sentences actually serve as a deterrent.shnaek said:The only thing to be done to help this situation is to introduce severe sentences for those caught robbing elderly people living in the country side.
Maybe not longer sentences, but perhaps if people had the right to defend themselves in their homes to whatever degree they felt necessary this would be a sufficient deterrent to most/some burglars? I don't know how a burglar thinks, but if I thought I might be seriously injured or shot while entering someone's home, I'd think twice about doing it.RainyDay said:Whilst my heart wouldn't disagree, my head wonders if there is any evidence that longer sentences actually serve as a deterrent.
Just to be clear - in this case the person involved was convicted of manslaughter and not murder.brodiebabe said:I don't know of any law abiding people who have murdered someone.
Would that include shooting the intruder a second time in the back after he had fled having already been shot once and severely beaten?delgirl said:but perhaps if people had the right to defend themselves in their homes to whatever degree they felt necessary this would be a sufficient deterrent to most/some burglars?
"Sgt Carroll agreed with defence barrister Mr Brendan Grehan SC, that Mr Nally had been living in fear after being robbed and unwelcome strangers had come to his house.ClubMan said:Would that include shooting the intruder a second time in the back after he had fled having already been shot once and severely beaten?
The statistics shown don't show any 'soaring' - There was in 2002/2003, but it did drop back for the most recent year recorded. There is an overall trend of a gradual increase, but certainly nothing that I would describe as 'soaring'.delgirl said:We lived in South Africa in the 80's when it wasn't against the law to shoot an intruder. Yes, it was during the apartheid years and yes, most of the intruders were black. I understand that the law there has now changed and the number of buglaries has soared as the criminals no longer fear being shot.
delgirl said:Sgt Carroll agreed with Mr Grehan SC that Mr Nally was "out of his mind with fear" on the day of the fatal shooting.
Be that as it may, and I'm sure that all of us have it within us to kill somebody else, but that doesn't mitigate the seriousness of the crime that occurs when somebody kills another.This was essentially a good, law-abiding man. Who can say how any of us would have reacted under such stress?
I think it's more pertinent to state that but for Mr Nally's actions Mr Ward would be alive today.The fact remains that but for Mr Ward's own actions, he would have been alive today.
delgirl said:We lived in South Africa in the 80's when it wasn't against the law to shoot an intruder.
Brendan said:It's a tough one.
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But, he was tried by a jury who heard all the evidence. They didn't just read the papers. They probably shared the same sympathies and prejudices which we have for the farmer. But, having heard all the evidence, they did find him guilty of manslaughter. I think we have to leave it up to them.
....................................It's very tough.
Brendan
Why is it more pertinant? Surely if Mr Ward hadn't been there in the first place, doing whatever it was he was doing, Mr Nally wouldn't have had anyone to shoot?ClubMan said:I think it's more pertinent to state that but for Mr Nally's actions Mr Ward would be alive today.
The statistics you quote begin in 1994 - as I said, we lived there in the 80's - from 1983 to 1986.Rainyday said:The statistics shown don't show any 'soaring' - There was in 2002/2003, but it did drop back for the most recent year recorded. There is an overall trend of a gradual increase, but certainly nothing that I would describe as 'soaring'.
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