Farewell Nigel Farage

Purple said:
I'd take Micheál and or Leo any day of the week ahead of Boris though I'd take Boris ahead of the Child Killers.
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Well the only alternative and the reason why Ireland is marooned without a functioning Opposition and a docile, supine media is the IRA military council so it really doesn't look like you have much of a choice.
 
Betsy Og said:
Oh....statue incoming....nothing surer.

Yerrah we're struggling away sure, but you won't find us on UK forums trying to drum up approval for our decisions.
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Ah, I didn't realise this was a local forum for local people ...
 
Wahaay said:
Well the only alternative and the reason why Ireland is marooned without a functioning Opposition and a docile, supine media is the IRA military council so it really doesn't look like you have much of a choice.
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I find the media painfully populist and creatures of a middle class left-wing establishment. Despite that I think the government are doing a reasonably good job.
 
Betsy Og said:
So they now have the means to solve a problem that didn't even exist, wowser - with wins like that why wasn't it a more convincing Brexit result.
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In reality, the solution they have devised to solve that problem that didn't exist is actually a bigger problem that becomes bigger by the day.

Remember the last picking season and the permits the industry there had to get to fly in Romanian workers to save the harvest in the midst of covid restrictions?
 
Leo said:
It just appears that way as an Irish forum specialising in consumer finance advice doesn't generally attract too many English nationalists.
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You do realise quite a few English people are consumers in Ireland too ?
I'll make sure to bring my pitchfork next time and give it a good shake.
 
Wahaay said:
You do realise quite a few English people are consumers in Ireland too ?
I'll make sure to bring my pitchfork next time and give it a good shake.
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I do, but I specifically said English nationalists, and not many.

No witch hunt here, just pointing out that the majority visiting AAM are unlikely to have bought into the propaganda of EU immigrants being such a drain on the UK system, particularly when so many of us will know Irish people living there and working in the NHS!
 

In what way is an English Nationalist any different than an Irish Nationalist ?
The Br in Brexit should be the clue to understanding the referendum was a nationwide vote to Leave and not just an English one.
If you don't think the massive rise in immigration was a major factor in Brexit rather than just " buying into propaganda " you clearly have no real knowledge of what drove the vote.
It's a symptom still shared even today by the Irish media which obviously frames much of the debate in this country.
 
Wahaay - if you don't rate the views of Irish people on the British condition then I wonder why you chose here to have the debate. You are of course welcome here (in the country & the forum) and at some level this is all fun, but if you're going to go with "you people just don't understand" then what's the point. Anyways, maybe you'll be more impressed with one of your own and his views on it (unpoisoned by the Irish media as presumably he is). Google umair haque and check for recent articles by him on Britain - if you're not resembling Sammy Wilson by the end of it I'll be shocked. Anyway, take it up with him, I'm not committing myself to defending what he says......sure what would I know...... biddin' ya good day Sir (gestures with Tweed cap).
 


You've got to admit it's rather droll being told by an Irish person the exact reasons why I voted for Brexit.
As though after several years of non-stop news coverage and analysis about every aspect of the pros and cons of Leave I was suddenly brainwashed by a chap who likes a pint.
It's almost like a Frenchman recently found guilty of corruption being able to threaten an entire country into changing its mind on something ...
 
Wahaay said:
In what way is an English Nationalist any different than an Irish Nationalist ?
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Few of Irish ones don't believe the lie that EU immigrants were a drain on the NHS? Even fewer of them care?


Did I suggest it wasn't?

It was well documented that concerns over immigration were a factor in the Brexit vote. It's just that much of those concerns were based on lies and propaganda that pervaded the campaign, much like the promise of an extra £350 million a week funding for the NHS, the blue passport nonsense, how quick and easy a new trade deal with the EU was going to be, the promise of no check on trade between GB & NI, the promise of continued protections for workers rights, etc..
 
Wahaay said:
You've got to admit it's rather droll being told by an Irish person the exact reasons why I voted for Brexit.
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Indeed it is, but sure it is you who chose this as the forum. If it is such a daft proposition maybe you posted in the hope of being ignored entirely???

I can only guess that you were hoping to disabuse us of our erroneous notions, and that is a commendable motivation (& if you snuck in some gentle trolling we could all enjoy that too), but we're entitled to make you work, to test this great wisdom you have so generously bestowed upon us, and we're kinda hoping your evidence will not be simply of the "you just don't get it" variety.
 

I thought a number of posts ago you really weren't that bothered.
But if really are, as you appear to be, I'll have another go at explaining.
It is the pereceived wisdom in Ireland that Brexit was stolen by lies and propaganda. This has been stoked by an Anglophobic Irish media which consistently fails to apply the same rigorous levels of disapproval towards the EU whose message it obediently trumpets. You can see this in action daily over its coverage of the EU's abysmal vaccine procurement programme.
Anyone who disagrees with this wisdom is called the full range of epithets with English Nationalist being the mildest of them and racist xenophobes and worse thrown in.
Yet Britons appear to have no buyer's remorse of their decision and the bumbling, deceitful Tory toff Boris as the Irish media lazily caricatures him remains exceedingly popular for delivering Brexit and managing a triumphant vaccination programme.
No-one seems to wonder why.
Perhaps everyone is still being fooled by a cunning and devious propaganda machine at No 10.
The rotters.
 
Which is why people are pointing out here that migration was actually beneficial for Britain, that fact got a bit...well....overlooked by Nigel (I'm being kind).

How would you categorize the extra £350M per week for the NHS?, the easiest deal ever to be done? I mean fast and loose with the truth would hardly seem to cover it.

The fact that England (yes, specifically England, I've given you the numbers before) has backed Boris is not proof of anything, maybe Labour are in the worst shambles ever (not a controversial opinion), make they like the shaggy dog act, maybe there's a subservient streak as shown in their obedience to the Saxe Coburgs - their betters, who knows.

I'm glad they got the vaccine program right, God knows the poor people deserved a break after what they'd been through. The Brexit chips will fall where they may, and other that the NI sit-ye-ation, and to a lesser extend trade, it's pretty much a 'popcorn event' for Ireland. But when the key claims for Brexit are found not to have had their basis in fact then I think most worldwide observers have come to the conclusion that propaganda played a part (or do you contend that this 'set' against Brexit is specifically an Irish thing??).
 
Wahaay said:
The Br in Brexit should be the clue to understanding the referendum was a nationwide vote to Leave and not just an English one.
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Indeed. And Britain (England & Wales) did vote to Leave. But Brexit had been extended to include Great Britain (+ Scotland) and indeed the whole UK (+ NI), both extensions rejecting the idea of leaving the EU but their votes were swamped by Britain's vote. I wonder would UKexit have been such a winning slogan, sounds too close to Yukexit for comfort. The very caption was a misrepresentation.
More seriously though I agree that the Irish media in particular but more generally the Irish chattering classes were irrationally anti Brexit and way overplayed any racial or fascist dimension of either the movement in general or its poster boys NF and Bojo in particular.
 
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What was probably more grating was the exceptionalism - we'll leave the club but they'll crawl back because by jingo they need us and we'll get all the benefits anyway. It was delusional but funny.

Before we sympathize too much, is there anyone handwringing over all the offence caused to everyone in EU by Brexiteers??, the worst in the world we were, propping up this dark regime in Brussels........
 
In Scotland and NI's case they couldn't really expect to enjoy all the benefits of the Union - including the vast amount of subsidies generated by the wealthier part of it - and not abide by a union-wide vote.
That would be like having your cake and eating it.
So to speak ...
 
Cameron missed a trick there though. He should have set the referendum up with extra criteria either 55% majority or majority of UK regions must vote in favour of it. I think something like an Scottish independence (or Irish unification) vote, or major EU treaty should have a higher bar than an internal vote which can be easily reversed (e.g. PR).
Maybe I've misread things but I think people in UK would have accepted the status quo if it was because at a region level the vote was 2-2 (without giving regions a veto).
 
My point really is that it should have been called Yukexit. Imagine if Ireland were to go down this road and called it Dubexit - a bit patronising, what? Mind you I don't know who initially dubbed it Brexit, might have been the Remoaners or even the EU itself.
 
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