T McGibney
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Surely the fact that they are too cute to cut off their noses to spite their faces is a good thing?? Everyone will suffer.
The UK haven't even asked for that. All they want is a negotiated process.That doesn't mean that the EU should automatically choose the least painful option of just letting the UK pick what parts of the single market they want without any of the obligations
If all this leads to even a minor economic depression, there will be hell to pay across Europe.There will be an impact but it won't lead to a Great Depression.
In many ways, it has to be painful so other countries don't get the same idea. Might not be right but it is understandable.
They can't even get a negotiating position agreed between themselves, never mind involving the EU.
The UK's problem isn't unanimity, it's the dreadful state of leadership displayed by the PM. Mrs Thatcher would have had this sorted in a wet week.
I think TM is simply facing into the real politik of leaving the EU.
Rees-Mogg is a backbencher who has never explicitly expressed any leadership ambitions. Davis is 70 this year and, having lost to Cameron in 2005, is hardly likely to bother at this stage. Johnson will undoubtedly strike at some point, but probably will let May destroy what's left of her authority first.If not, its time Davis, Johnson, Rees-Mogg et al stood up to be counted - whats holding them up? As far as I know all thats needed is 48 'letters' to launch leadership bid.
I suspect the delay is that they cant even agree amongst themselves who should be leader!
Her actions in running her Brexit negotiation plan by Angela Merkel before disclosing it to her own colleagues in Chequers was highly questionable.
What you do mean hard evidence? It's a statement of fact.What hard evidence to you actually have to support that statement????
What you do mean hard evidence? It's a statement of fact.
Davis is 70 this year
and, having lost to Cameron in 2005, is hardly likely to bother at this stage
Johnson will undoubtedly strike at some point, but probably will let May destroy what's left of her authority first.
My opinion, that's all. You're free to differ.So what? Clearly he considered able enough to hold one of the most important briefs of any cabinet Minister? Why not the PM brief?
Why not? He wont be competing against Cameron this time.
Your opinion, that's all. I'm free to differ.In the meantime the Brexit deadline is looming. Not really a time to wait in the long grass, imo.
Well she would, wouldn't she?Which she denies
My opinion, that's all. You're free to differ.
Well she would, wouldn't she?
(The Spectator is hardline pro-Brexit, diminishing Mays authority may be in their interests?)..
Hardline? No. Their editorial support for a Leave vote back in June 2016 was very much of a "on the one hand but on the other..." nature. They have both pro- and anti-Brexit columnists. Charles Moore is indeed one of the former, but is also one of Britain's most highly respected political commentators. His article which I linked above is more than credible.
His article which I linked above is more than credible.
Moore's record on such matters is very, very good. His Telegraph and Spectator columns and his biography of Margaret Thatcher consistently bear that out.Really? The actual quote from the article is 'At Chequers, I hear, one of her responses to suggested changes in her blueprint was to say, ‘No, that’s not possible, because I’ve already cleared it [the existing text] with Mrs Merkel.’
So your statement of fact is based on a journalist saying 'I hear'. No mention of corroborated sources. Sounds more like pub talk. Neither Johnson or Davies have come out with this claim (as far as I know) which is very damaging so I don't know how you can call it a statement of fact because the story appears in article.
What you do mean hard evidence? It's a statement of fact.
Well she would, wouldn't she?
https://www.spectator.co.uk/2018/07...with-merkel-before-consulting-her-colleagues/
Whatever you like. I couldn't care less to be honest. But again, Moore's record on this is very good, as is The Spectator's.You would have confirmation from one of the participants that it actually happened....
So it is not a fact then, it is an unsupported opinion at best.
On the question of fishing surely Leo varadker should be more worried about Irish waters being swamped with European fishing trawlers when the UK waters are denied to them. This is a practical issue which the Irish government haven't talked about , surely the quotas of European fish caught in Irish waters should be reduced . Irish waters will becoming like the grand banks off Newfoundland , fished out and desolate
I strongly recommend you read up on the existing EU fishery’s regulations and agreements that are in place before you drag this thread off-topic. This is not a Brexit thread.
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