ESB Networks €50 refund due to overcharging

[odyssey06]

CRU make these decisions on their own bat and don't defer back to central government to cross subsidise, just like decisions on things like standing charges are made by them alone.

How is it a responsibility of the CRU to bring in measures in relation to job losses?

Standing charges are one thing, relating to the cost of providing the service. This is entirely different.

It was actually signed off by the Cabinet

Eamon Ryan defends electricity overcharging on people to help big businesses

The change to electricity tariffs is estimated to have cost each residential customer around €50 a year

www.irishmirror.ie

Maybe it was done this way due to EU market rules, but it is very fishy if it done not have a legitimate basis in cost delivery under those same rules.

 

[joe sod]

Electricity firms told to drop ‘false’ 100pc green power claims

Electricity companies are misleading hundreds of thousands of customers by claiming to supply 100pc renewable power, an advertising watchdog investigation has found.

www.independent.ie

More controversy this time regarding claims by some energy providers that they are 100% renewables when this is in fact impossible in Ireland.
What the hell are the energy regulator the CRU at, another regulator asleep at the wheel.
In the article it says companies give their "fuel mix disclosure " to the regulator the CRU.
That raises another interesting question can we trust that the actual fuel mix the energy regulator is providing in all the statistics actually correct, and is our actual renewables proportion of total fuel mix much lower than stated in all the statistics. Every time you check the real time energy mix from eirgrid , fossil fuels are much higher than the stated statistics. I think those figures from the CRU are just wrong

 

[odyssey06]

More details on the refund.

The Commission for the Regulation of Utilities (CRU) has formally announced today that electricity customers will receive a payment of €89.10 as the charge to fund renewables is not needed due to the high wholesale price of electricity. The payment will be made in monthly installments of €12.73 from March to September. Customers will receive the payment as a credit on their bills.

Electricity customers to get payment of €89.10 - CRU

The Commission for the Regulation of Utilities (CRU) has formally announced today that electricity customers will receive a payment of €89.10 as the charge to fund renewables is not needed due to the high wholesale price of electricity.

www.rte.ie

 

[michaelm]

That's additional to the ESB Networks €50 refund, right?

 

[ClubMan]

That's additional to the ESB Networks €50 refund, right?

Yes.

Edit: the €50 one is from Electric Ireland and not ESB Networks. See @odyssey06's post below.

 

[odyssey06]

That's additional to the ESB Networks €50 refund, right?

There is an earlier 50e rebate for Electric Ireland only.

This 89e is the one from ESB networks that had been floated around as a 50e rebate.
Edit- see below for correction

Electric Ireland announces €50 credit for electricity customers

Electric Ireland has announced new measures aimed at reducing electricity bills and helping vulnerable customers

www.bonkers.ie

 

[michaelm]

I'm aware of the Electric Ireland only €50 rebate. Methinks there is a €50 rebate from ESB Networks for all relating to miscalculation of a subsidy to large energy users and the €89 is a separate rebate for all relating to unjustified renewable energy subsidies. Every chance I'm just befuddled.

 

[odyssey06]

I'm aware of the Electric Ireland only €50 rebate. Methinks there is a €50 rebate from ESB Networks for all relating to miscalculation of a subsidy to large energy users and the €89 is a separate rebate for all relating to unjustified renewable energy subsidies. Every chance I'm just befuddled.

Reads article again...

I think you are right. So every customer will get the 89.10e (renewables rebate) and 50e (exact amount TBD) for overcharging. And Electric Ireland customers will also get a 50e cost of living rebate.

 

[ClubMan]

Reads article again...

I think you are right. So every customer will get the 89.10e (renewables rebate) and 50e (exact amount TBD) for overcharging. And Electric Ireland customers will also get a 50e cost of living rebate.

Plus the cost of living €200 subsidy?
At this rate it'll be like the water charges refund and I'll be making money again... :⁠-⁠)

 

[Protocol]

The elec bill of my aunt is negative 650, yes minus 650.

She uses very little elec, she gets 35 pm off the bill, so her bills are typically very low.

The three 200 euro credits have pushed her into large credit with the ESB.

She even wondered out loud what would happen to the 650 if she died?

 

[joe sod]

The elec bill of my aunt is negative 650, yes minus 650.

She uses very little elec, she gets 35 pm off the bill, so her bills are typically very low.

The three 200 euro credits have pushed her into large credit with the ESB.

She even wondered out loud what would happen to the 650 if she died?

What about the esb workers and former workers ,don't they get huge discounts on their bills anyway, I presume they also got these top ups and rebates

 

[ClubMan]

She even wondered out loud what would happen to the 650 if she died?

Her estate could claim repayment of the credit balance.

 

[ClubMan]

What about the esb workers and former workers ,don't they get huge discounts on their bills anyway

Do they? You tell us.

 

[joe sod]

Do they? You tell us.

Discounts for ESB staff on their bills cancel out worst of energy price rises

Thousands of ESB workers and retired staff will be insulated from the brunt of the latest massive price hike announced by the State-owned company.

www.independent.ie

the clerical discount

 

[fidelcastro]

Electricity firms told to drop ‘false’ 100pc green power claims

Electricity companies are misleading hundreds of thousands of customers by claiming to supply 100pc renewable power, an advertising watchdog investigation has found.

www.independent.ie

More controversy this time regarding claims by some energy providers that they are 100% renewables when this is in fact impossible in Ireland.
What the hell are the energy regulator the CRU at, another regulator asleep at the wheel.
In the article it says companies give their "fuel mix disclosure " to the regulator the CRU.
That raises another interesting question can we trust that the actual fuel mix the energy regulator is providing in all the statistics actually correct, and is our actual renewables proportion of total fuel mix much lower than stated in all the statistics. Every time you check the real time energy mix from eirgrid , fossil fuels are much higher than the stated statistics. I think those figures from the CRU are just wrong

the 100% renewables from SSE etc in ireland was always a farce, how anyone believed this is beyond me in a country which is Gas dependent for its elec (c.70%)!