Eradicating child poverty a priority

Brother due first child in December.

Won't get the double Child Benefit December payment, as your first Child Benefit payment only starts the month after child is born and is not backdated to month child was born.

Also won't get the baby bonus of €420 (3 v €140) as that applies to babies born from January...
 
Twins are in for a windfall as they get 1.5 times the rate for each child and multiply this by the 2 bonus payments......
 
Yes, well the first measure is relative poverty, known as At Risk-of-Poverty, AROP, it really is a measure of low incomes.

To me, that is impossible to eliminate.


The second measure is material deprivation.
 
The way poverty is defined in Ireland makes it difficult to eradicate it.

Agreed, probably makes it impossible unless we become a communist state. But this protects the interests of the executives in the NGOs who are guaranteed that they can always bemoan high child poverty rates.

Child poverty is measured as the proportion of all children aged 17 years or younger that live in households with an income below the 60 per cent of median income poverty line.


 
Brother due first child in December.

Won't get the double Child Benefit December payment, as your first Child Benefit payment only starts the month after child is born and is not backdated to month child was born.

Also won't get the baby bonus of €420 (3 v €140) as that applies to babies born from January...
Maybe the baby will be late and he'll get it. However he was never getting it and I'm sure it wasn't why he chose to have a child. What you never have you can't miss.
 
Agreed, probably makes it impossible unless we become a communist state. But this protects the interests of the executives in the NGOs who are guaranteed that they can always bemoan high child poverty rates.

Child poverty is measured as the proportion of all children aged 17 years or younger that live in households with an income below the 60 per cent of median income poverty line.



Interesting. I would imagine incomes form some form of offset bell curve so the percentage below 60% remains relatively constant.

Do things like free gp, school dinners and free school books have any impact on the poverty level as they are not income?
 
Interesting. I would imagine incomes form some form of offset bell curve so the percentage below 60% remains relatively constant.

Do things like free gp, school dinners and free school books have any impact on the poverty level as they are not income?



AROP is measured based on disposable income only.

It does not consider non-cash benefits.

The other measures of poverty consider material goods, not just income.
 
Because it's relative?

Yes. We first need the definition of poverty they are using. A classic one is families in the lower 15% of income. So there will always be children living in poverty. The reality it we have come a longway from the days if children living under bridges and walking around with open festering wounds exposing bone, because their families cannot afford to bring them to hospital or there is no one bothered to do so. Now days in Ireland being homeless is living in a hotel with all necessary expenses paid.
 
Brother due first child in December.

Won't get the double Child Benefit December payment, as your first Child Benefit payment only starts the month after child is born and is not backdated to month child was born.

Also won't get the baby bonus of €420 (3 v €140) as that applies to babies born from January...
BABIES BORN IN December will now qualify for the €420 ‘baby boost’.

“I am pleased to confirm to the House tonight that babies born in December will be eligible to receive the Newborn grant when their mother receives their first Child Benefit payment in January,” the minister said.
 
Nothing new in this report from the ESRI today. But the answer to the problem seems to be to introduce more welfare payments rather than Government bringing in family friendly polices, promoting two-parent families and discouraging lone parenthood...


New research, published by the ESRI, and produced in partnership with the Department of Children, Equality, Disability, Integration and Youth (DCEDIY) finds that becoming a lone parent increases the risk of economic vulnerability. Economic vulnerability is measured based on low income, material deprivation and financial stress.

Social transfers remain a crucial support for lone parents and their children. Recent ESRI research has found that introducing a second tier of means-tested child benefit could be highly effective in lifting children and their families out of poverty.
 
The proposed second tier means-tested child payment is high.

Current model

adult welfare payment + Increase for Qualified Child (IQC) of 46 pw or 54 pw + universal Child Benefit


Proposed model

Means-tested payment for child available to all low-earners, not just SW recipients

adult welfare payment + child payment available to all low income earners of possible 222.60 per week + universal Child Benefit


Would people be happy with welfare payments for jobless families significantly increasing?

With two children, the increase would be 345 per week, extra per week.







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