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It seems strange to me that a person can be suspended for holding shares in an Israeli company (and lets be honest, that's why it happened).
 
jim said:
What reason did the social demoncrats give for suspendeding him?
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He misinformed the party on when he sold his shares in Palantir, a US software company that does business with the Israeli military. He said he rid himself of the shares in June 2024 when it was actually July 2024 - just after he became a county councillor.
 
But, from the social democrats perspective is the issue:
A) that he made a mistake on the month he sold certain shares. He was out by a month
B) that he held shares linked to israel military

I suspect its (B), it doesnt seem right that an individual is not allowed hold shares in a company

What am i missing
 
jim said:
But, from the social democrats perspective is the issue:
A) that he made a mistake on the month he sold certain shares. He was out by a month
B) that he held shares linked to israel military

I suspect its (B), it doesnt seem right that an individual is not allowed hold shares in a company

What am i missing
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It’s that he occupied public office whilst simultaneously holding the shares, albeit for a very short period.

His mistake was in saying that he’d gotten rid of the shares when he hadn’t. He should have just said he got rid of them at the earliest possible opportunity.

He was caught out telling a mistruth which put the party in a difficult position. It had to then either defend him or chuck him out. They chose the latter.
 
I was looking coldly at this issue and the Soc Dems had somehow to “save” face. I’m not saying Hayes did something wrong because he didn’t. But the issue could leave the party vulnerable later. So, Eoin had to go. The amount of money involved probably contributed to the issue.
 
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At the very least the optics were awful for the SocDems, he might as well have said "I was working for a company that helps the Israeli military improve their success rate from bombing attacks". Did it escape his notice that Ireland and other countries are taking Israel to court for exactly this kind of behaviour?
 
If he held the shares in a company named "Green technology ireland " or something like that I doubt the social Democrats would be clamouring to "cleanse " the issue from their party. They would have said that eoin made a sin of omission and isn't he a great guy for working for such a noble company especially as the shares have fallen in value since he worked for that company ,he made a loss but did the right thing eventually. The social Democrats can maintain our halo .
 
Purple said:
... thus reducing civilian casualties. ;)
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but he didn't say that or even imply it. It was kind of a "more kills per kilo" project. Given that Hamas uses innocents as cover for their truly deeds, the only way to root them out is boots on the ground.

Don't get me wrong, I'm a long-time Israeli supporter, even down to the Eurovision, but they reached a point some years ago when from a behavioural perspective, they are now indistinguishable from their enemies or the imperialists who preceded them
 
mathepac said:
but he didn't say that or even imply it.
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Hence the ;)
mathepac said:
It was kind of a "more kills per kilo" project. Given that Hamas uses innocents as cover for their truly deeds, the only way to root them out is boots on the ground.

Don't get me wrong, I'm a long-time Israeli supporter, even down to the Eurovision, but they reached a point some years ago when from a behavioural perspective, they are now indistinguishable from their enemies or the imperialists who preceded them
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I agree, though that's the Israeli government, a government which enjoys far less support than Hamas enjoy in Gaza. Should the actions of the Israeli government mean Irish people can't own shares in a company that supplies Israel?
 
Purple said:
It seems strange to me that a person can be suspended for holding shares in an Israeli company (and lets be honest, that's why it happened).
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And not only that, he had the gall to make a profit too, so a double-whammy
 
Purple said:
Hence the ;)

I agree, though that's the Israeli government, a government which enjoys far less support than Hamas enjoy in Gaza. Should the actions of the Israeli government mean Irish people can't own shares in a company that supplies Israel?
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Well in fairness, it’s Irish people in public office and in a company that provides assistance to Israel’s military in particular. Not a good look in the current climate.

That said, there’s an increasingly thin line between doing the right thing (as defined by an ever-changing set of societal values) and being open to accusations of anti-semitism.
 
Salvadore said:
Well in fairness, it’s Irish people in public office and in a company that provides assistance to Israel’s military in particular. Not a good look in the current climate.
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I agree, though that's largely due to the very limited reporting of different conflicts around the world and the very selective reporting of the Israeli-Palestinian war.
Salvadore said:
That said, there’s an increasingly thin line between doing the right thing (as defined by an ever-changing set of societal values) and being open to accusations of anti-semitism.
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I think the positioning of that line is determined by the anti-Semitism that is quite deep rooted in this country.
 
Purple said:
I think the positioning of that line is determined by the anti-Semitism that is quite deep rooted in this country.
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Is it deep-rooted though? Taking the side of the Palestinians (however incomplete your reasoning for doing so may be) doesn’t necessarily make one an anti-Semitic.
 
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