Electric Cars - a ridiculous product

Purple said:
They aren't that big inside due to the big wheels encroaching into the cabin space and unless they hit another car head on they aren't any safer. What they are in dreadfully polluting from manufacture right through to when they are scrapped and dreadfully dangerous to other road users, particularly pedestrians.

One of my concerns with EV's is what happens if they go on fire while parked under an apartment block or hospital etc.
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you do realise that this is another over egged scare mongering tactic, EVs are far far less likely to go on fire than an ICE vehicle.
 
Gordon Gekko said:
Eh, subsidies have reduced, and EV sales have fallen sharply.

QED.
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Not so, there isn't a worldwide correlation between reduced subsidies and falling sales. In Ireland, the grant reduction which was flagged well in advance came on Jan 1st, but January sales showed the share of EVs sold was exactly the same as in 2023. That disproves your theory.
 
Blackrock1 said:
you do realise that this is another over egged scare mongering tactic, EVs are far far less likely to go on fire than an ICE vehicle.
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The recent catastrophic fire in Luton, caused by a ICE vehicle, is a case in point. The zombie hordes on facebook leapt to the conclusion that it was an EV that caused the blaze.
 
Leo said:
Not so, there isn't a worldwide correlation between reduced subsidies and falling sales. In Ireland, the grant reduction which was flagged well in advance came on Jan 1st, but January sales showed the share of EVs sold was exactly the same as in 2023. That disproves your theory.
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No it doesn’t.
 
Leo said:
Not so, there isn't a worldwide correlation between reduced subsidies and falling sales. In Ireland, the grant reduction which was flagged well in advance came on Jan 1st, but January sales showed the share of EVs sold was exactly the same as in 2023. That disproves your theory.
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Incorrect. The market grew more than sales of EVs. So EV sales actually declined on a relative basis.
 
Gordon Gekko said:
No it doesn’t.
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You are very clearly mistaken, but refuse to accept it. You originally claimed:
Gordon Gekko said:
When you look at the data globally, it’s pretty clear that once subsidies are taken away, people pivot back towards ICE vehicles.
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You haven't presented anything to back that up, presumably because it just isn't true. You haven't presented any evidence to suggest that correlation internationally, and you can't do so for here as more EVs were sold in Ireland in January 2024 AFTER the grant was reduced than were in January 2023.
 
Leo said:
You are very clearly mistaken, but refuse to accept it. You originally claimed:

You haven't presented anything to back that up, presumably because it just isn't true. You haven't presented any evidence to suggest that correlation internationally, and you can't do so for here as more EVs were sold in Ireland in January 2024 AFTER the grant was reduced than were in January 2023.
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Which part of this are you failing to understand?

The subsidies ended last year. Sales were down on a relative basis in January, and have collapsed since.

Their down a lot for the quarter and have collapsed in March.

You can’t just make stuff unhappen by ignoring the data. Read the numbers.
 
Leo said:
You are very clearly mistaken, but refuse to accept it. You originally claimed:

You haven't presented anything to back that up, presumably because it just isn't true. You haven't presented any evidence to suggest that correlation internationally, and you can't do so for here as more EVs were sold in Ireland in January 2024 AFTER the grant was reduced than were in January 2023.
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Subsidy Drop Will Hit EV Sales But Hyundai Sees Rebound | BloombergNEF

Overall, electric vehicle manufacturers in Europe are concerned about slowing demand and a shifting regulatory environment.
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I’m wrong, the Head of Hyundai Europe is wrong, the Head of EV Charging Infrastructure at Bloomberg is wrong, and Leo is right…
 
Nordkapp said:
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European ports turned into ‘car parks’ as vehicle imports pile up
https://on.ft.com/43OrRc7

EVs are not selling, despite the price drops
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Have you read the article? It just says Chinese car makers overestimated demand and now have too much of their stock sitting in ports. It doesn't give any details, stats, or commentary on sales. It is an article about logistics:

In other instances, carmakers in general are struggling to order trucks because of the lack of drivers and equipment to move the vehicles on.“Car distributors are increasingly using the port’s car parks as a depot. Instead of stocking the cars at the dealers, they are collected at the car terminal,” said the Port of Antwerp-Bruges, whose port at Zeebrugge is Europe’s busiest port for car imports.
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Some car industry executives said Chinese carmakers were not selling their vehicles in Europe as fast as they expected, which was a big contributor to the glut at the region’s ports.
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The clogging-up of car terminals comes as many of China’s carmakers, such as BYD, Great Wall, Chery and SAIC, are planning an export push to Europe, both to keep their factories in China running and to capitalise on the region’s appetite for electric cars.
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As newcomers to the market, they have struggled to find haulage companies to prioritise their orders.“Lack of trucks” is a “very common problem”, said one person familiar with the situation, who added that many vehicles had been “reserved by Tesla”.
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The industry has been struggling for months with a shortage of capacity on ships after the jump in Chinese vehicle exports prompted a 17 per cent rise in long-distance movements of vehicles from the year before. The problems were further exacerbated by diversions following attacks on the Red Sea, which have substantially lengthened ship journey times.
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OK, my 10 cents. Who'd rather buy my main marque 3 ltr 2012 diesel , imported in 2016 with inexpensive road tax and very good fuel economy for its class, fully loaded, stop-start etc superb build and style or my mates 2014 Nissan leaf ? Pioneers get arrows in the back , settlers get land
 
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