Blackrock1
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diesel cars had reduced VRT for years.
diesel cars had reduced VRT for years.ICE cars gets no subsidy. I was comparing a EV car versus a bus that can carries passengers of multiple cars. For major cities, public transport is better environmental friendly than individual driving cars - no matter which..
Electric car batteries can store a large amount of power which could be used as back up for national grid as part of managing demand/supply.
True.ICE cars gets no subsidy. I was comparing a EV car versus a bus that can carries passengers of multiple cars. For major cities, public transport is better environmental friendly than individual driving cars - no matter which..
Not necessarily "NOT IN FAVOUR" but for people with genuine range issues its a solution . EVs are ok for city driving where range is not an issue and you get home with plenty to spare but current batteries just do not have the range practicality that an ICE car has in abundance .Because those in favour of EVs...just charge at home. They wake up to a full 'tank' everyday and there is very little hassle to using a fast charger out and about.
Battery exchange is a concept for people who are not in favour of EVs.
it was very interesting the advice from the dealer in respect of charging to extend the battery life , don't charge above 80% or let it go below 20% .
Just think about that advice and reflect that the dealer advises you only use 60% of the capacity to extend the life cycle of the battery .
Depending on what source you reference the average real world range of an EV is about 300 kilometres so if you can only use 60% then you are down to 180 Km following that advice , fine if your driving short distances but not practical in the real world.
Overall its not at the realistic stage to expect people to embrace EVs , in the Celtic Tiger days people had to move along way from Dublin to afford a house and became very dependent on their cars for work , we are back in that same dilemma today with the housing market being so messed up and its really simple that today just as in the Celtic Tiger an awful lot of people just cannot get to work any other way then in their cars and if you take it that some people have 4 hour round trips to work in Dublin they just cannot afford to gamble on an EV .
70% of daily car trips are shorter than 10km. Average commutes vary from 7km in Dublin to 17km nationally. Even the highest county average (Laois and Roscommon) is only 27km. That means an overnight charge at home once a week.
That is the reality that the Green Party will never face upto ... there is no real alternative right now . If that changes then most people will embrace something that works and serves them well .
That's exactly what I do. I only charge to 100% if I know I have a big journey. Otherwise, 80% is plenty for my 170km round trip commute.300km range is conservative for 2024 cars. Most are 400+ real world.
It's technically better for battery life to keep it in the 20%-80% range to optimise performance long term but charging to 100% is not a big deal.
Is that 170km daily 5 days per week?That's exactly what I do. I only charge to 100% if I know I have a big journey. Otherwise, 80% is plenty for my 170km round trip commute.
But you said it was a collapse!! There is no collapse. China are struggling to get EVs off-shore to meet demand, so much so that they have accelerated indigenous options, with 47 car transport ships currently in production, a 120% increase over their current fleet.Leo, if the overall market increases but sales of a particular product stagnate, that’s a relative decline. Nevermind the fact that one month is less relevant statistically than three months.
That's my sense. With CATL and the likes rolling out batteries with 15-20 year warranty & zero degradation over 1000 recharge cycle batteries that weigh and cost less, and the increased competition that has only started to force profit margins down towards motor industry standards, better and cheaper is coming soon.Are people waiting for new models and pricing changes
That's my view as well. I wouldn't buy an EV now because I think the technology is changing too quickly for it to be a worthwhile investment in the medium term. I generally buy cars 3-5 years old and keep them for 5 years or so. I'm way too fond of holidays and good wine to waste money on an expensive car. Therefore over that timeline I don't think EV's are a good purchase at the moment. Technology will make new ones cheaper and make older ones much cheaper. The market isn't mature enough yet to know how much cheaper.That's my sense. With CATL and the likes rolling out batteries with 15-20 year warranty & zero degradation over 1000 recharge cycle batteries that weigh and cost less, and the increased competition that has only started to force profit margins down towards motor industry standards, better and cheaper is coming soon.
I would take the opposite view. I do circa 90% city driving and spend between 1,000 to 1,500 euro per year on fuel. Financially, an EV doens't make sense for me - even if I got free lecky, the savings wouldn't come close to offsetting the additional purchase cost (unless I wanted to drive a car from a much smaller segment). I would think that those with long commutes (safely within battery range) would save a lot in fuel. I think that's why taxis are using them - they drive them close to their ranges and save heaps on fuel....EVs are ok for city driving
The meaning of life right there!holidays and good wine
That's my sense. With CATL and the likes rolling out batteries with 15-20 year warranty & zero degradation over 1000 recharge cycle batteries that weigh and cost less, and the increased competition that has only started to force profit margins down towards motor industry standards, better and cheaper is coming soon.
That's like waiting for years to upgrade a computer because the next one will be better and cheaper.
Buy what you need (or want) today.
I would take the opposite view. I do circa 90% city driving and spend between 1,000 to 1,500 euro per year on fuel. Financially, an EV doens't make sense for me - even if I got free lecky, the savings wouldn't come close to offsetting the additional purchase cost (unless I wanted to drive a car from a much smaller segment). I would think that those with long commutes (safely within battery range) would save a lot in fuel. I think that's why taxis are using them - they drive them close to their ranges and save heaps on fuel....
That's true to a point alright, but when there are still faster alternatively powered computers for less money, I don't need or can't justify the cost of the best money can buy.That's like waiting for years to upgrade a computer because the next one will be better and cheaper.
Buy what you need (or want) today.
It's not the only reason, but I derive greater satisfaction from spending my money on other things than a car.Not entirely sure why you'd think fuel saving was the only reason to buy an EV.
Hi - an EV is a lot more expensive than a computer though. Also, with the possible advances in solid state batteries etc, the improvements could be considerate..
I drive an older E class. For an EV for the same money, I would be looking something like Leaf, which would be far from a vastly better experience to me, especially as I rather enjoy the cacophonic roar from farting into heated, leather seatsI'm 97% city driving and I think it's a vastly better experience in that environment.
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