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A quick google suggests the variance in stated range vs actual range can in some cases be up to 20%What is the make and model of the EV? The manufacturers specified range should be easy to clarify. This will nearly always differ from actual range due to a number of variables but shouldn’t be hugely different.
I wouldn’t trust anything a car salesman tells be about EV range or in fact anything mechanical about a vehicle.
Have you had the vehicle checked for issues? There may be a fault with it?
This is going to be an issue to the early adopters of EVs…I’ve seen the ID-4 2024 price is being reduced by approx. 12k to compete with Tesla and BYD…hertz US took a 250million hit last quarter due to depreciation of there existing stock. Adrian Weckler Was on the radio recently talking about this very subject and the depreciation of his own EV car..I see that sellers of 1yr old EV cars pricing them at the same price as new modelsVW have just announced a €10k cut to their new EV prices to compete with the Chinese marques. This will have a big impact on 2nd hand values.
I am reaching out again as I have been caught up in what I believe is very unfair practice by a car dealership. My wife purchased an electric car in October 2023 (3months ago) from a local car dealership for €45,000. We were told the range would be 300km plus on a full charge.
However, this is not the case. A journey from Galway to Dublin requires a stop to charge the car and then charge again when we get to Dublin. We live in Galway.
So, we went back to the dealer in early January and explained that we were looking to change again and gave them an idea of the car we were looking for. They never came back to us. So last Saturday we went up to the show room and saw lots of cars that we had explained we were looking to purchase and were wondering why the salesman hadn't contacted us about them. Anyway, we were dodged on the Saturday and were told we would get a call on Monday.
The call came this evening, saying they could offer us €30,000 for a car we had purchased off them 3 months ago for €45,000. Surely there must be some law protecting us here, for this daylight robbery?
Thanks in advance for your replies
VW have just announced a €10k cut to their new EV prices to compete with the Chinese marques. This will have a big impact on 2nd hand values.
plenty of people will buy an id4 over a tesla to be fair but vw are just cutting back the price inflation they added over covid and the year after, when they came out first they were around the current price.Theres a bit more to it than that.
Tesla keep dropping prices to maintain market share in the face of Chinese competition. They are trying to maintain market share to maintain their share price. What they have done is compressed the entire EV market under their prices. No one is going to buy a ID4 when the Tesla is cheaper. Same with all the other brands. VW also has other issues with debt. Hence the massive drop in prices. They were over priced.
Along side of this you have issues with rising interest rates mean even fossil fuel cars are struggling, especially used, in the UK. That will come here next. Probably slower since its captive market due to various reasons.
Cars sold within the EU must use the WLTP methodology to arrive at a range figure. The testing is based on an average speed of 46.5km/h in summer temperatures. So in winter, and at higher speeds, you can be sure you'll get considerably less. Just like my 1.6 petrol can achieve less than 5l per 100km, it's more often over 7.We were told the range would be 300km plus on a full charge.
However, this is not the case. A journey from Galway to Dublin requires a stop to charge the car and then charge again when we get to Dublin. We live in Galway.
you could but it would be a waste of time.You should speak to a Solicitor with a view to suing the dealership and manufacturer based on Consumer Protection Act also lodge a complaint with CCPC
Why if a good is misdescribed in law you have rights. Why would a car be any different.you could but it would be a waste of time.
its not misdescribed, the range quoted will be the WLTP range, how thats calculated is very easy to ascertain and real world range for most cars is very easy to find under various conditions. See EV database:Why if a good is misdescribed in law you have rights. Why would a car be any different.
It would be expensive to litigate so easier to go embarassment route Conor Pope etc..
The only grounds they would have based on the information posted here so far would be if the 300km was well off the WLTP range quoted for the car, and I'm not aware of a €45k EV on sale here with an official range well below that.Why if a good is misdescribed in law you have rights. Why would a car be any different.
plenty of people will buy an id4 over a tesla to be fair but vw are just cutting back the price inflation they added over covid and the year after, when they came out first they were around the current price.
I have no doubt the range will be 300km, with the wind at your back, the radio and aircon turned off, with minimal acceleration and braking, with the tire pressure correct etc etc etc. It's no different from the MPG figures quoted for petrol or diesal cars.
Good summary here
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How far can an electric car go? In this article you will find all the bitesized information required on how vehicle range is determined.www.myenergi.com
As for the depreciation, rule of thumb is 15% per annum and I would never expect to get the sales price back 3 months after taking delivery.
Im not sure thats any different to what i said, all the german manufacturers chased the demand up with their pricing, they are all cutting now, VW, Mercedes have already done it, BMW, audi and Skoda will follow. The ID4 is back at the price it was at launch, which is about right.I think there's more to it than just "cutting back"
I went looking at ID4s a few months back was just staggered at how expensive they were, some were 60-70k. VW are carrying massive debt had all sorts of software issues.
Volkswagen Cuts EV Production, Cancels New Wolfsburg Factory - CleanTechnica
Volkswagen announced this week a new plan for the production of electric vehicles that does not include building a new factory.cleantechnica.com
On the back of that the have Chinese competition now and Tesla dropping prices. That's has effected everyone. Tesla owners have also been burnt by price cuts. I suspect there are further cuts to come.
When I was looking a few months back all cars seemed over priced. I decided to get a cheaper used car instead of new. I'll still lose money but far less than on a new car. I think the market will have stabilised in another 3-6 months.
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