eircomlifer i dont doubt your sincerity for a moment , but i would be very surprised if the esop people , who continue to tell us they know nothing , could possibility reveal to the credit union that we ARE getting a payout . they would be leaving themselves wide open on the basis that they have continuesly denied any knowledge of a payout to the MEMBERS , yet they are prepared to confirm a different story to NON members , ie the credit union . they would leave themselves open to all sorts of critisism , not to mention the fact that they would loose all creditability with the membership . i dont think it is their style to make such revelations known to anyone . this is not the way they operate , also i have just rang the esop now and the usual answer was forthcoming , WE KNOW NOTHING . the woman i spoke to was at pains to point out that esop 21 [ when it arrives ] also will NOT inform us of any payout , that we will receive it along with ballot papers , and it will deal specificly with the issues contained therein ie the proposed sale of eircom to stt ans that we will be asked to vote accordingly