EIR TV service.

charlie007

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This was a very good service, particularly when used with the Apple box supplied.
However the BBC recording facility was withdrawn last year.
Now the RTE catch up service has also been withdrawn, presumedly to get us all using their awful player?
On a positive note the Virgin Media recording facility is back working since December.
 
Apparently Eir have launched a new TV service this week based on an Android box. Most of the recording restrictions are coming from the TV channels so unlikely to be any changes there.
 
Apparently Eir have launched a new TV service this week based on an Android box.
I wasn't aware of this when I posted above...


If anyone ( particulartly those in contract ) gets a deal on this, would they please post details?!
 
I've had EIR TV with the apple TV since mid 2021. Every year I ring, saying I'm going to switch and get a bit off for another 12 months. I even switched to SKY for a month and then switched back.
It really is a good product but I think 90% of that is because it's a good quality Apple TV box. The app itself is ok. I know they've lost catchup on RTE and previously BBC but think that's to do with the channels and outside their control. If you'd an average android box and an average app then you'll get an average product.

One thing that people aren't aware of is you can buy another Apple TV (I got one cheap on DoneDeal) and use it on another TV in the house. You don't have to purchase multiroom like with other suppliers as it checks your internet provider. My guess is I'll be able to download the android TV app on another TV and stream to that TV. Even if you sign up to EIR now and get the Android Box but you already have an Apple TV box I see no reason why it wouldn't work on the that.

That 15 euro a month for 12 months is for the TV only. If you go basic broadband and TV it's €50. I'm paying €60 and happy.
 
The loss of record isn’t really the channels, it’s the providers selling boxes that don’t have built in record. If they have built in record you are entitled to record and use under the copyright act. Once they are not actually recording but sending you a copy from the cloud etc then it’s not covered by copyright act then broadcasters need the rights for each programme to allow it which is not viable. So the providers have to make a deal to use the channels players and it’s a mess from there
 
The loss of record isn’t really the channels, it’s the providers selling boxes that don’t have built in record. If they have built in record you are entitled to record and use under the copyright act.
That's not the case, as covered in other threads on here and in the https://www.independent.ie/business/technology/106000-eir-tv-customers-no-longer-able-to-record-bbc (media), the boxes have the capability of recording but the license holders (BBC, etc.) are restricting who can record their content.
 
It's totally the channels calling the shots as regards cloud recording and a replay tv function. RTE are particularly bad for e.g. won't allow replay function on a lot of shows and you can't skip the ads with a Virgin box. This is RTE and not Virgin in this example. The fact we have no choice to pay a tv licence once we have a tv and then RTE basically 'making it hard' for providers is particularly annoying and should be stopped.
 
You can skip adds in recordings on the Virgin Media channels, but you have to wait until the Live programme is over to do this.
 
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One thing that people aren't aware of is you can buy another Apple TV (I got one cheap on DoneDeal) and use it on another TV in the house. You don't have to purchase multiroom like with other suppliers as it checks your internet provider

One or two of us are aware of this alright:)
Eir have in fact being selling a refurbished Apple box for quite some time. Price €59.99.
 
That's not the case, as covered in other threads on here and in the https://www.independent.ie/business/technology/106000-eir-tv-customers-no-longer-able-to-record-bbc (media), the boxes have the capability of recording but the license holders (BBC, etc.) are restricting who can record their content.
It absolutely is the case, it literally says it in the article you linked to:

“Recording from BBC and RTE has been a contentious issue for home TV services that want to move to the cloud”

The boxes don’t actually record locally onto the box so they aren’t covered by the copyright act.
 
"You can skip adds in recordings on the Virgin Media channels, but you have to wait until the Live programme is over to do this." - not sure about this with a streaming box but with a 360 box with hard drive you don't have to wait.
Sometimes I find you are actually selecting the replay function with RTE and not the actual recording in progress which you can skip the ads. Maybe that's happening charlie007 with you.
 
It absolutely is the case, it literally says it in the article you linked to:
Sorry, I wasn't clear, but it it the rights holders (BBC for the most part) and not the service providers who have made the decision to block the ability to record their shows in Ireland. This isn't Eir or Sky or any of the others making that same decision in a vacuum.
 
BBC, RTÉ etc aren’t generally the rights holders except for their own in house programme, the rights holders are the actual programme makers, actors etc.

If eir, sky, virgin etc kept providing the more expensive boxes with built in hard drives, then there is no issue at all, everyone can record everything forever legally on the box, and can’t be prevented from doing so by law. There is no issue with the actual rights holders.

By going to cheap cloud solutions, the networks now need to rights to replay from the cloud and the rights will be different for every movie, soap etc depending on who made it and when and even whether there was such a thing as cloud recording and replay when it was made. You’ll have some programmes that can be replayed for a day, some from a week, some never and some which will never be cleared for Ireland. BBC aren’t ‘blocking’ recording they just have no reason to ever clear their programmes for it. They said to the networks we won’t clear them, stick to the current boxes and the networks went ahead anyway. It’s a mess, and always will be and it’s caused by the move to cheap boxes by the providers.

Or to look at it another way, most TVs in Ireland now have freesat tuners and saorview tuners, if you plug a hdd into your TV you can record any bbc, RTÉ or virgin show and keep it forever and no one can prevent you. The signals are not encrypted and you are entitled to record locally by law. Sky Glass, VM and virgin boxes don’t allow you to do this because they are preventing it, not the broadcasters.
 
"You can skip adds in recordings on the Virgin Media channels, but you have to wait until the Live programme is over to do this." - not sure about this with a streaming box but with a 360 box with hard drive you don't have to wait.
Sometimes I find you are actually selecting the replay function with RTE and not the actual recording in progress which you can skip the ads. Maybe that's happening charlie007 with you
I am of course referring to the Eir TV Service here. I have just rechecked it, and with Virgin Media channels it is as I've said.
I've never had RTE recording ( havent had Eir TV very long ) and of course RTE catch up is now gone.
I wonder is it a coincidence that the new Eir box doesn't have the RTE Player and is being launched just after RTE catch up is withdrawn,
or maybe they may allow it to be added??
 
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No problem theresa1, I'm certainly not casting any stones......
For me it's a lot more than just skipping adds, I may want to watch the last 20 minutes of a 2 hour long programme and
obviously being able to FF in someway saves a lot of time. I will now be watching a lot more of Virgin than RTE.
 
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