Driving around in a NI reg vehicle. VRT Customs called to my home
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Buddyg
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Re: VRT Customs Called to my Home
Puts things in an even worse light. How could somebody with a family be so reckless with their money.
Sell the car and pay up.
Puts things in an even worse light. How could somebody with a family be so reckless with their money.
Sell the car and pay up.
Re: VRT Customs Called to my Home
A trip in front of a Judge I presume.
Can't imagine the court showing much simplify if the car has been sold.
A trip in front of a Judge I presume.
Can't imagine the court showing much simplify if the car has been sold.
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Re: VRT Customs Called to my Home
glad they got caught...
no sympathy then....FREELOADER
glad they got caught...
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mercman
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Have done, thanks for advising. I echo all the sentiments already stated. I'm not able and don't want to provide anything else on a Public Forum.
Have done, thanks for advising. I echo all the sentiments already stated. I'm not able and don't want to provide anything else on a Public Forum.
Re: VRT Customs Called to my Home
Actually, Providing Revenue Customs Patrol did not sieze the vehicle from you which i presume they didnt as they cannot do so by calling to your home ( They have to stop you in a public place inorder to make a seizure of a vehicle, not by calling to your door ), you are perfectly intitled to sell the vehicle outside the state ( ie NI or UK ) as it is your vehicle. You cannot sell the vehicle to another residant of the Rep of Ireland without first paying the VRT however, So " VRT is not still payable " if you sell the vehicle outside the state and there will be no need to worry about a " trip in front of a Judge " as sugested, which is a crazy statement to make really to a woman who, finding herself in a difficult situation is only seeking a little bit of honest advice and not assumptions from members who may actually be able to help her out with her situation which im sure she is aware of is mostly of her & her husbands own making, so no need to be quite so harsh with replys to this womans post as anyone is capable of a mistake or oversight. I have spent a number of years in the motor trade in the Rep of Ireland border reigions so im firmillar with VRT rules and regulations. If you choose to be foolish and sell the vehicle to another residant of this state you are liable to a fine of up to €1900. Obviously by buying the vehicle without being able to afford the VRT was not a very good idea but whats done is done and as the say, once bitten twice shy, and the best advice I can give is avoid falling on the wrong side of the Customs as they have a job to do and siezing unpaid VRT vehicles is an easy part of the job. I think most people would agree that VRT being deemed an illegal charge by the EU, is an unfair tax on the Irish Consumer and givin the current economic climate and the financial situation of many unfortunit citizens, surely, it would be in the best interest of everyone involved ( The Revenue & The Poster, all VRT payers) if the The Revenue Commisioners set up a " Pay by Installments " programme of some sort. Never the less VRT should be kept in mind when buying a Northern Ireland or UK vehicle as unfortunitly, It has to be paid within 24hrs.
Shaun
Actually, Providing Revenue Customs Patrol did not sieze the vehicle from you which i presume they didnt as they cannot do so by calling to your home ( They have to stop you in a public place inorder to make a seizure of a vehicle, not by calling to your door ), you are perfectly intitled to sell the vehicle outside the state ( ie NI or UK ) as it is your vehicle. You cannot sell the vehicle to another residant of the Rep of Ireland without first paying the VRT however, So " VRT is not still payable " if you sell the vehicle outside the state and there will be no need to worry about a " trip in front of a Judge " as sugested, which is a crazy statement to make really to a woman who, finding herself in a difficult situation is only seeking a little bit of honest advice and not assumptions from members who may actually be able to help her out with her situation which im sure she is aware of is mostly of her & her husbands own making, so no need to be quite so harsh with replys to this womans post as anyone is capable of a mistake or oversight. I have spent a number of years in the motor trade in the Rep of Ireland border reigions so im firmillar with VRT rules and regulations. If you choose to be foolish and sell the vehicle to another residant of this state you are liable to a fine of up to €1900. Obviously by buying the vehicle without being able to afford the VRT was not a very good idea but whats done is done and as the say, once bitten twice shy, and the best advice I can give is avoid falling on the wrong side of the Customs as they have a job to do and siezing unpaid VRT vehicles is an easy part of the job. I think most people would agree that VRT being deemed an illegal charge by the EU, is an unfair tax on the Irish Consumer and givin the current economic climate and the financial situation of many unfortunit citizens, surely, it would be in the best interest of everyone involved ( The Revenue & The Poster, all VRT payers) if the The Revenue Commisioners set up a " Pay by Installments " programme of some sort. Never the less VRT should be kept in mind when buying a Northern Ireland or UK vehicle as unfortunitly, It has to be paid within 24hrs.
Shaun
Re: VRT Customs Called to my Home
Yes, I understand that she has been caught and ADVISED to pay the VRT possibly within a set amount of time or risk siezure and possible fines so on, however they have only advised her at this point, and the car is still hers and in her possession, if she wishes to sell or remove the vehicle outside the state within usually 7 days she is permitted to do so.
Please read Section 5.5.5 of the Revenue Document linked, you will see the exception to the fine by removing or reselling the vehicle outside the state:-
www.revenue.ie/en/about/foi/.../vehicle.../vrt-manual-section-5.pdf -
As for the €5000 fine, you may be correct on that, how I understand it from reading my Revenue Motor Trader VRT booklet, If a person is found in possesion of a vehicle where the VRT has gone undeclared for more than 1 month the person may be subject to a fine by the revenue commissioner, depending on the time scale the vehicle has been illegally used in a public place within the state, this fine can range from 2.5% to 10% of the OMSP or Min €60 to a Max fine up to €1900 and is applied with the discresion of the local VRO officer and payable at the local VRO.
It may well be the case that this Max fine of up to €1900 is treated as an on the spot fine of some sorts and perhaps if you fail to pay this on the spot fine to your VRO, you may be subject to a potential €5,000 through the courts. However, from my expeirance this fine is usually only applied as a large fine to people who have a previous history of undeclaring VRT on vehicles but not always the case. The usual protocol is, you get a warning to pay the VRT, if the VRT goes unpaid the vehicle may be siezed if stoped in a public place. It will be taken to, usually the nearest garda station and impounded, after a few days the vehicle will be released to you, usually on paying some sort of fine and the impound fee by the Customs Patrol officer. They will issue you with a demand to pay the VRT within 7 days or risk the vehicles siezure again with a larger fine. They also advise you that you may remove or sell the vehicle outside the state within 7 days if you wish.
Shaun
Yes, I understand that she has been caught and ADVISED to pay the VRT possibly within a set amount of time or risk siezure and possible fines so on, however they have only advised her at this point, and the car is still hers and in her possession, if she wishes to sell or remove the vehicle outside the state within usually 7 days she is permitted to do so.
Please read Section 5.5.5 of the Revenue Document linked, you will see the exception to the fine by removing or reselling the vehicle outside the state:-
www.revenue.ie/en/about/foi/.../vehicle.../vrt-manual-section-5.pdf -
As for the €5000 fine, you may be correct on that, how I understand it from reading my Revenue Motor Trader VRT booklet, If a person is found in possesion of a vehicle where the VRT has gone undeclared for more than 1 month the person may be subject to a fine by the revenue commissioner, depending on the time scale the vehicle has been illegally used in a public place within the state, this fine can range from 2.5% to 10% of the OMSP or Min €60 to a Max fine up to €1900 and is applied with the discresion of the local VRO officer and payable at the local VRO.
It may well be the case that this Max fine of up to €1900 is treated as an on the spot fine of some sorts and perhaps if you fail to pay this on the spot fine to your VRO, you may be subject to a potential €5,000 through the courts. However, from my expeirance this fine is usually only applied as a large fine to people who have a previous history of undeclaring VRT on vehicles but not always the case. The usual protocol is, you get a warning to pay the VRT, if the VRT goes unpaid the vehicle may be siezed if stoped in a public place. It will be taken to, usually the nearest garda station and impounded, after a few days the vehicle will be released to you, usually on paying some sort of fine and the impound fee by the Customs Patrol officer. They will issue you with a demand to pay the VRT within 7 days or risk the vehicles siezure again with a larger fine. They also advise you that you may remove or sell the vehicle outside the state within 7 days if you wish.
Shaun
Re: VRT Customs Called to my Home
I thought ye guys were real harsh on the OP but based on the one previous post is it correct that the OP had a perfectly good job in the North for 6 years, gave it up while pregnant and worked in the South for 2 weeks in order to claim social welfare in the South (where benefits are better). Meanwhile based on said original job took out a mortgage, loans etc and is now after bringing in a car from the North knowing full well that if caught they would get caught for VRT. I wouldn't know the rules off hand on this but anyone working North/South would be well aware so it would be extremely hard to have any sympathy.
I suppose that because of the special South/UK arrangements benefits are very flexible and the OP did reside in the South so naturally wished to avail of the better benefits, I would do the same.
With the price of cars reducing in the South is it still cheaper to buy cars in the North? I've noticed a few foreign nationals driving cars but I assume that they are not liable to VRT as they can bring in a car legitimately having lived in another EU country and owned the car for 6 months prior to moving to Ireland?
I thought ye guys were real harsh on the OP but based on the one previous post is it correct that the OP had a perfectly good job in the North for 6 years, gave it up while pregnant and worked in the South for 2 weeks in order to claim social welfare in the South (where benefits are better). Meanwhile based on said original job took out a mortgage, loans etc and is now after bringing in a car from the North knowing full well that if caught they would get caught for VRT. I wouldn't know the rules off hand on this but anyone working North/South would be well aware so it would be extremely hard to have any sympathy.
I suppose that because of the special South/UK arrangements benefits are very flexible and the OP did reside in the South so naturally wished to avail of the better benefits, I would do the same.
With the price of cars reducing in the South is it still cheaper to buy cars in the North? I've noticed a few foreign nationals driving cars but I assume that they are not liable to VRT as they can bring in a car legitimately having lived in another EU country and owned the car for 6 months prior to moving to Ireland?
Re: VRT Customs Called to my Home
If you are living in the North or UK and move residence to the republic, I thought that there was no VRT if you had owned the car for 6 months or year, not sure, and did not sell it for 6 months after moving.
Is this not the Irish government flaunting the EU rules anyway?
If you are living in the North or UK and move residence to the republic, I thought that there was no VRT if you had owned the car for 6 months or year, not sure, and did not sell it for 6 months after moving.
Is this not the Irish government flaunting the EU rules anyway?
Re: VRT Customs Called to my Home
Yes, that is correct, if you have priviously resided within an EU ( Not all countries are included in this agreement ) country for at least 6 months ( some countries require 12 minimum residancy ) you can apply for a VRT exeption.
However you will need to prove your case well and have proof of the period you spend as residant of the state you are transfering from and also proof that you owned this vehicle in that state for atleast 6 months. They are very strict on this and dont back down to exeptions easily.
And yes, according to the EU ruling, VRT is an illegal tax under the EU treaty but the government, although having to pay a fine to the EU anually for applying VRT on its citizens, are making too much money from it so its a case of " well worth paying the fine "!..
The total collection of VRT for 2008 was in the region of €1.8bn, even though its gone down €185 million in 2009, when you think about the fine I think being in the region of €50 million per year, it still makes it worth while for the govenment to enforce VRT.
Yes, that is correct, if you have priviously resided within an EU ( Not all countries are included in this agreement ) country for at least 6 months ( some countries require 12 minimum residancy ) you can apply for a VRT exeption.
However you will need to prove your case well and have proof of the period you spend as residant of the state you are transfering from and also proof that you owned this vehicle in that state for atleast 6 months. They are very strict on this and dont back down to exeptions easily.
And yes, according to the EU ruling, VRT is an illegal tax under the EU treaty but the government, although having to pay a fine to the EU anually for applying VRT on its citizens, are making too much money from it so its a case of " well worth paying the fine "!..
The total collection of VRT for 2008 was in the region of €1.8bn, even though its gone down €185 million in 2009, when you think about the fine I think being in the region of €50 million per year, it still makes it worth while for the govenment to enforce VRT.