starlite68
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so is this going be our new minimum wage 3 euro an hour!
the low wage model just will not work in this county.
so is this going be our new minimum wage 3 euro an hour!OTher european immigrants here who don`t qualify for irish welfare, would work for the minimum wage here even if it was 3 euros an hour.Thus if the minimum wage is to be cut,welfare has to be cut, otherwise all the irish minimum wage workers would just go on welfare.
We need leadership on getting our wage and salary and welfare levels down. I suggest an across the board reduction on all public servants and also on welfare and the minimum wage.The generous packages and protected positions of our high paid public servants need to tackled first.
Presumably you've run this past your employer as well and urged him to cut your wages in the interest of producing a cheaper product for the market ?
Thus if the minimum wage is to be cut,welfare has to be cut, otherwise all the irish minimum wage workers would just go on welfare.
We need leadership on getting our wage and salary and welfare levels down.
we are talking 3 euro now purple.....not bad eah....soon we will be able to buy a loaf of bread for sixpence and a gallon of petrol for a shilling!I have heard people say that if we abolish the minimum wage people will we working for €2.50 .
Agree 100% with purple.
Talking about races to the bottom, focusing job creation on the high value end of the market, higher costs of living in this country (as if we are some special closed circuit economy where this is sustainable) and telling people they should try living on social welfare are tired, hackneyed misleading statements.
In the same way the idea of incentivising effort is not comprehended by the intellectually bankrupt left, there also seems to be some serious mental obstacle to figuring out that our higher costs of living are driven primarily by the fact that our labour costs are high, and consistent with having one of the highest minimum wages in the world.
Our wages are higher than those in the UK and Europe and our social welfare is way higher than elsewhere in the UK and europe. The same people who complain that prices are high here don't see the irony in defending our wage levels.
I wouldn't go as far as calling us poxy, but hey someone has to balance the arguement away from those who believe we are some kind of special place where wage and social welfare structures completely out of kilter with our nearest neighbours is a sustainable situation. It is make believe.
And far from being the "caring" left, the champions of this nonsense will leave the next generation bankrupt whilst excluding any hope of the unemployed ever getting back on their feet. It's not socialism, it's protectionism of the haves, as purple has said.
PS: I still await an explanation from someone as to why going back to the real level of welfare payments from 5 years ago cannot be done. We didn't have widespread starvation in 2005. We obviously can't set social welfare to a level capable of paying mortgages taken out at the height of the boom, but every other element of the increases in the cost of living since then are not irreversable
we are talking 3 euro now purple.....not bad eah....soon we will be able to buy a loaf of bread for sixpence and a gallon of petrol for a shilling!
but i thought you were in favour of cutting the dole.......problem solved!Why would anyone work for €3 when the dole pays more than that?
So next time I reckon public service pay needs to be cut, don't feel singled out. I've probably switched from Tesco to Lidl and start using Ryanair rather than aer lingus i.e. voting with my hard cash that I believe Tesco and Aer Lingus pay too much to their employees!
but i thought you were in favour of cutting the dole.......problem solved!
What's that got to do with what Tesco pay their staff?How can you expect Tesco staff to take a pay cut when during the day have their customers are wearing pajamas and deciding what ready meal to bring home to their kids?
The opposite of what we've had for the last 10 years? If we are not any better off in real terms after 10 years of wage and cost increases why does anyone think that we will be any worse off in real terms after a few years of price and wage cuts?If welfare was cut tesco would be forced to cut their prices to cater for the fact a lot of people have less money. They could also pay their staff less because they're not competing with social welfare. Then they could cut their prices further.
so is this going be our new minimum wage 3 euro an hour!
the low wage model just will not work in this county.
What do you mean by "the low wage model"?
Wages in an open economy have to be market driven. If they are too high businesses will not employ people as doing so will not generate a profit. If they are too low people will not take the job.
Yep. Why have a model? If there are companies out there who want to pay their employees €15k per annum and we have 400,000 on the dole why would we turn them away?
Because some muppet decided on a whim that Ireland would rather have people on social welfare than the opprtunity of a low paid job
Well considering the minimum wage is only about €15k a year, there is nothing to stop companies paying that.
thats something we can agree on, its way way more complex.....if making ourselves a low wage economy would solve all our problems then ok fine, i dont believe it will,but apart from that what government is going to touch this with a barge pole?I am but it's more complex than that.
I don't want to pick hairs on this one but if you want to pay someone for a 40 hour week here, it's €350 per week so it's a bit above €15k per year.
I'm trying to make a reasonable point that there's probably many people who'd willingly work for a 40 hour week for less than that i.e. €250pw or €300pw but we've effectively thumbed our noses at such employment.
But the problem is you can't convince the socialists of this. There's no comprehension that a lower wage might actually encourage more employers to hire people.
There is no evidence that removing the minimum wage would lead to huge job creation. We can't compete on wages in most industries. If you removed the minimum wage, manufacturing would still get done in China and other low wage economies that we simply can't (and don't want to compete) with.
probably....but if it didnt tip the balance where would we go from there....10k..8k..?I think there's evidence both ways!
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One point I'd still make, though, is that we do continue to have manufacturing employment here despite not being able to compete with China on wages. This does not mean we will hold onto these jobs regardless of the wage, it simply means that non-wage factors such as language, education, etc are offsetting the wage disadvantage.
If we had a minimum wage of say €12k rather than €15k, is there not a stong possibility that this incremental change, coupled with our other advantages, might tip the balance in our favour?
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