Diary of a Private Investor - structured product too good to be true


That is a frightening thing to hear from a financial advisor. You make it sound like 85% capital protection is the most important thing with no mention of what can be lost on the other 15% through fees, 'investment' etc etc. There are plenty of ways to get 100% capital protection with banks with strong balance sheets or saving certs etc if that is your concern. 85% capital protection is how they capture people's interest in these products. I would assume every Financial Advisor can look past that.
 
Absolutely!! And I presume that this is exactly how Colm got his number. If you allow for the possibility of the index being up more than 40% and that 10k is a generous evaluation of the bet, we can surely round 9/2 up to 5/1 i.e. the odds against rolling a six on a fair dice.
Paribas in a presentation to professional clients claim that they discovered an arbitrage or a mispricing or in the current metaphor a biased dice. Just how biased a dice, Broker Solutions* gave an indication in earlier brochures. They claimed to have thrown the dice 1,304 times and it came up six every time Possibly the title of this thread made them throw the dice another 1,305 times for brochure 5. The results now indicate that our dice has 4 sixes. Still a very biased dice and surely you should bite their hands off at those odds of 5/1
But something niggles at me in this narrative. My textbooks claimed that when the professionals spotted an arbitrage they filled their boots with it until it quickly closed. Not so these folks. They decided to let the great unwashed feed at this trough, and to forego the chances to make easy money on their own account. That was certainly a noble gesture but the niggle remains. They announced their discovery in 2015 and the brochures make it very clear how the arbitrage worked. To suggest that 4 years later the arbitrage is still alive and well would mean that all the other professsionals have taken a similar altruistic approach.
* Disclaimer: Other than the reference to the arbitrage all of the points in this post derive from the brochures produced by Broker Solutions and are absolutely in no way the responsibility of Paribas at all at all.
 
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2. If yes, how did such a product become approved and what needs to happen to ensure that other similar products are not being marketed now and that other similar products do not become available in the future?
Some valid questions there elac, but my understanding is that products are not approved* by the Regulator. I think the term used to be "freedom with disclosure", which seems to me to mean that you can produce anything you like even Bags of Hot Air as long as you present your product fairly and completely. The Regulator then takes on the role of policing how the products are presented and sold. Let's hope Colm's endeavours produce results along those lines in this situation. The revised backtest in brochure 5 is a small step in the right direction.
* An exception is where products had tax breaks such as pensions, where the Regulator/Revenue felt they could set some rules. Though these days the rules are more around the pension wrapper and it is free to invest in almost any product of its choice. I don't think in my day pension plans would be allowed to invest in the sort of product under discussion in this thread.
 
Just as a matter of interest can any of you whiz kids in the financial world inform us of funds that are easily available, doing well, have good exposure in the short term (5 year), don't cost a lot to invest in, to the ordinary Irish person with a few hundred grand to invest. There's bound to be a substantial no of that line of individual out there nowadays what with retirement pay offs, savings, inheritance, lump sums, etc. Most will say it has to be invested for long term but lots of the people with this type of money are getting old and investing long term is not attractive for obvious reasons. Then again the regime in this country makes people think of getting rid of their assets/cash, to sons, daughters, etc, etc, so they qualify for fair deal later on, for free this that and the other too. Surely this industry needs a thorough cleaning up and made more simple to understand for the ordinary individual.
 
Ah Duke,

That's really spectacularly unfair!

Elacsaplau has thrown his toys out of the pram and Elacsaplau is not the type of individual who will collect them and go back on his promise to desist from further contributions to this thread. This plan was all going well until your measured and reasonable post leaves many crumbs for Elacsaplau to feast on but Elacsaplau has his principles.

If Elacsaplau is a slave to such principles, one coud reasonably ask how come this post appears at all? Has, for example, Elacsaplau's life expectancy been magically extended since last night? Such questions, admittedly, do pose a real challenge. All Elacsaplau can offer is that this post should be seen as some form of an aberrant apparition, a one-for-the-road, the AAM equivalent of a Mulligan.

Why, also, is Elacsaplau using the third person singular when referring about himself? Fortunately, Elacsaplau has a more robust rationale here as Elacsaplau has decided to become LiamLawloresque in his language, as this seems to be somehow an appropriate form in this thread (see in particular post #50).

Anyway, Elacsaplau shall, accordingly, leave Sherlock (or should the er be replaced by a y?) and yourself at it!
 
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Elac, your withering sarcasm can lead to misunderstandings Why don't you and Colm admit it was all a misunderstanding? After all Boris and Leo are all palsy walsy these days
 
Just one question from me. Under the priips rules the regulator has the power to ban products (eg binary options last year). Did this come up in your discussions with the CBI?
Sorry for the delay in getting back to you. I don't claim any expertise on consumer protection rules (the last 25 years of my career was spent more at the "wholesale" rather than the "retail" end of life assurance). I wasn't aware the regulator had that power. In any event, the regulator was very much in listening mode with us. They never told us (nor did we expect them to tell us) what action they would be taking on foot of what we told them.
 
I have it on very good authority that both the design and distribution of insurance/investment products were often not transparent 25 years ago - resulting in poor outcomes for consumers. Poor consumer protection then.

This thread is principally about the non-transparency of a current product - likely to lead to poor outcomes for consumers. Poor consumer protection now.

Personally, I would not be deferential to those responsible for consumer protection in Ireland who have presided over a ineffective system for far too long. So who watches the watchman?

Well, it may not be perfect but the Finance Committee has done a good job at upping the performance of the Central Bank in terms of protecting banking customers. I would suggest that in relation to this case a referral to the Finance Committee is warranted. It offers the prospect of genuine progress in this matter.
 

 
Colm Fagan in 2019 said:
“Are you sure, Colm? That’s a drag of almost 20% over five years. Putting it another way, are you saying that, if the EURO STOXX 50 Index increases by 20% over the next five years, the Solactive Index could still show a loss?”
Well this is what actually happened.

This product matures in September. Fagan & Woods complained to the Central Bank in August 2019 that this was grossly misrepresented in the brochure (a) by majoring on how the Index had beaten the pants off EuroStoxx over the previous 17 years despite its inbuilt negative drag and (b) by showing that in all 1,304 backtests the Index would have finished above its starting level after 5 years and therefore would have triggered a minimum return of +40%. Ok, over a month to go, might still happen