Why is it that everytime there is a post about cyclists ignoring traffic lights there is the usual plethora of posts citing the wrongdoing of motorists as if that in some way decreases the seriousness of the violation, and to some, so it would appear, even negating it.
Why not start a new thread and lambaste the motorist in there own thread.
..................When I'm cycling, I behave like I'm vulnerable, which means I don't go through red lights when there's traffic coming across the intersection,.................
Thank you for that Seagull.....at least you admit to what I have been saying. ;-)
While driving, I usually prefer when cyclists proceed through lights. ...............
Thank you for that Seagull.....at least you admit to what I have been saying. ;-)
My objection is when someone breaking all the rules comes out with the argument "We're the most vulnerable road users, so you must be aware of us". When I'm cycling, I behave like I'm vulnerable, which means I don't go through red lights when there's traffic coming across the intersection, or do other stupid things likely to get me killed. You can either cycle sensibly, and use the argument that cyclists are vulnerable and motorists should be aware, or you can be a kamikaze cyclist and accept you're likely to become a statistic.
Good man Leo, keep promoting blatant violation of the rules of the road.
I mean.......why bother with any of them??
It's hardly promotion in any recognised definition of the word.
As to why bother with any of them, well, 95+% of of road traffic offenses I witness are perpetrated by motorists. Why can't they bother obey the rules but still somehow get irrationally miffed at other road user groups displaying the exact same bahaviours that have no real impact on them?
Ah come on now Leo, we are into semantics now. If I said that I usually prefer product A over product B then it easily could, and quite often would be deemed that I am promoting product A.
So when you said "I usually prefer when cyclists proceed through lights" then that easily could and quite often would be deemed that you are promoting that cyclists do, just that.
And now we are back to my first post in this thread, ie. when cyclists are accused of breaking the ROTR their immediate "defence" is "Well look at what motorists do....". As if that, in some way, mitigates their own disregard for the rules.
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None of us is perfect on the road but why cyclists, when seen/accused of rule breaking cannot simply "put up their hands to it" and say "Yes you're right, I shouldn't do it, mea culpa", but feel compelled to come out with......"Well what about motorists blah blah blah.......", or, "Well the reason I don't adhere to the rules is blah blah blah.......", is beyond me.
Quite simply the ROTR are there and are law, all road users are bound by them, whether we agree with them or not.
Quite simply the ROTR are there and are law, all road users are bound by them, whether we agree with them or not.
Perhaps they were watching the pedestrians crossing the road without waiting for the green light?
Perhaps they were on their way to the scene of an accident where a car had crashed the lights knocking down a pedestrian or, maybe even a cyclist?
95+% of of road traffic offenses I witness are perpetrated by motorists
This is because motorists are the largest group using the roads.
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