That didn't answer the question.It was already mentioned the number of schools in total added and associated costs would amount to chicken feed in the scheme of things.
Are you suggesting that's the main reason it's so expensive?The health insurance industry is a circus. If what is being provided by the private sector was being provided by the public sector you wouldn't tolerate it. Too bureaucratic, too much red-tape, too many plans etc..but because its the private sector its called 'consumer choice'.
Yes, they are excellent. They were developed by private companies and a private company installed the infrastructure at the bus stops which displays the arrival times of the next buses. It is a good example of the Private Sector being contracted to provide or improve a public service.[/QUOTE]Btw, there are real time apps for Dublin Bus available on Android and the App store.
That didn't answer the question.
Yes, they are excellent. They were developed by private companies and a private company installed the infrastructure at the bus stops which displays the arrival times of the next buses. It is a good example of the Private Sector being contracted to provide or improve a public service.
The ratio is the same. The extra teachers are paid for using the fees paid by the parents. Just another subsidy of the State schools by private schools. I think it's great; less tax for me to pay. Thank you, the parents who send their kids to private schools. You save me money.You are quite adept at not answering, editing, deleting questions yourself.
But in further consideration, given the ratio of pupils attending state schools to private schools it is likely that any increase in pupil attendance at state schools would be easily absorbed without any need to increase expenditure. In fact I would say the opposite, the State would save on having to pay for private teachers.
BS, speaking of not answering questions, how about his one?Are you suggesting that's the main reason it's so expensive?
....Apologies, the sample was 2000....
Oops, maybe I should leave the economic issues to those who can do basic multiplication !
The extra teachers are paid for using the fees paid by the parents
the state pays the salaries of teachers in private schools and some people chose to send their children there
Are you suggesting that's the main reason it's so expensive?
It was already mentioned the number of schools in total added and associated costs would amount to chicken feed in the scheme of things.
The health insurance industry is a circus. If what is being provided by the private sector was being provided by the public sector you wouldn't tolerate it.
Are you suggesting that if a State body were to offer the layers of plans and options to the public that it would be accepted as an efficient competitive market?
The health insurance industry is a circus.....Too bureaucratic, too much red-tape, too many plans etc..but because its the private sector its called 'consumer choice'.
Btw, there are real time apps for Dublin Bus available on Android and the App store.
Why?Perhaps you and Firefly need to talk
So you "suspect" that putting more kids through the public school system would save the state money. If you can draw such an absurd conclusion to a simple example it does kind of weaken your views on something as complex as the impact of QE on the American economy.In any case, you would need to drill down the figures to see how much im being 'subsidised'. Id be happy to stump up the extra €1 or €2 to facilitate full state provisions but I suspect it would actually get a refund.
No, but the private health industry buys most of its services from the State and operates in a heavily unionised industry where vested interest groups control so many aspects of the supply side of the market. In far too many cases when the State interfaces with the Private Sector the State gets screwed. That's because the State is rubbish at regulating, rubbish at running and rubbish at business. We have the worst of both worlds; a public health system which is grossly inefficient which is being subsidised to the tune of €2 billion a year in the form of private health insurance payments by the same people who pay for it the first time through their taxes. That gives a two tier system which is unfair and inequitable.No. Im suggesting the system is deliberately designed to confuse and obfuscate. But regardless of that it is still peddled as 'consumer choice'.
Are you suggesting that if a State body were to offer the layers of plans and options to the public that it would be accepted as an efficient competitive market?
Perhaps you and Firefly need to talk
Good, you might let Purple know that.
Divide and conquer eh?
Purple is correct. My daughter goes to a private school. Most of the teachers are paid by the state and the school also employs some extra teachers who are paid solely by the school. I'm pretty sure that's how most private schools operate.I didn't know the State subsidised the salaries for school teachers in private schools at all. You seem to say that all teacher salaries are paid by the State. Purple seems to say that only some teacher salaries are paid by the State.
We cant all be correct.
If you can draw such an absurd conclusion to a simple example it does kind of weaken your views on something as complex as the impact of QE on the American economy
Purple is correct. My daughter goes to a private school. Most of the teachers are paid by the state and the school also employs some extra teachers who are paid solely by the school. I'm pretty sure that's how most private schools operate.
I can only think of one totally private school - the Institute of Education on Lesson St. They are not subsidised in any way by the state.
..so effective "policing" by your dog warders no doubt helps generate additional funds
You seem to say that only SOME teachers salaries in private schools are paid by the State. Firefly seems to say that ALL teacher salaries are paid by the State. I didn't think that ANY teacher salaries were paid by the State to private schools.
We cant all be right. Until the facts emerge as to how many teacher salaries are being paid then all opinion and observations are of
equal merit.
that thousands of ordinary workers up & down the country are able to send their kids to creche (albeit a lot are struggling) and the fees for private education come in at about half those for a creche...therefore not as expensive as it sounds.
The VHI has a myriad of plans!
It's great that they do
more choice for people on different budgets,
but it only came about due to competition.
Due to competition there are products to suit different levels of income.
this excluded most from private healthcare
No, but the private health industry buys most of its services from the State and operates in a heavily unionised industry where vested interest groups control so many aspects of the supply side of the market. In far too many cases when the State interfaces with the Private Sector the State gets screwed. That's because the State is rubbish at regulating, rubbish at running and rubbish at business. We have the worst of both worlds; a public health system which is grossly inefficient which is being subsidised to the tune of €2 billion a year in the form of private health insurance payments by the same people who pay for it the first time through their taxes. That gives a two tier system which is unfair and inequitable.
I didn't come to any conclusion, I made an assumption (without all the data, that is all that can ever be epoused here) based on teacher pupil ratios in State funded schools relative to teacher pupil ratios in private schools.
You seem to say that only SOME teachers salaries in private schools are paid by the State. Firefly seems to say that ALL teacher salaries are paid by the State. I didn't think that ANY teacher salaries were paid by the State to private schools.
We cant all be right. Until the facts emerge as to how many teacher salaries are being paid then all opinion and observations are of
equal merit.
To dismiss such opinions out of hand is to forgo your own inherent ignorance.
Yep, as I said previously private schools have to pay for additional teachers as the state funds a higher pupil/teacher ratio in those schools. BS, before posting about these things Google can be your friend.Purple is correct. My daughter goes to a private school. Most of the teachers are paid by the state and the school also employs some extra teachers who are paid solely by the school. I'm pretty sure that's how most private schools operate.
I would say Orka is right - the state pays the salaries of most teachers in private schools (probably to meet the same pupil / teacher ratio as in public schools). The private schools, through the fees they collect can then pay for additional teachers if they wish.
It's still cheaper for the state though isn't it as the state doesn't have to pay for the upkeep of the buildings, insurance, rent, heating etc?
Yep, as I said previously private schools have to pay for additional teachers as the state funds a higher pupil/teacher ratio in those schools. BS, before posting about these things Google can be your friend.
The private schools, through the fees they collect can then pay for additional teachers if they wish.
Now that is funny!
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