Heard the guy on tv3 last night during the break in Emmerdale say 'if your depressed with the irish property market tune into out overseas property show at ...'. Sentiment has definitely changed!
there's one there right now! [broken link removed]
Why do you think it was luck?
Buying undervalued revenue creating assets, whether they are equities or property ensures that risk is minimised while potential gain is maximised. I just don't get the "you have to take a risk to make a good return" thing.
Property markets are cyclical. Right now the Irish property market provides maximum risk for minimum reward (if any) - not a good buy! And it's not about timing the market, it's about analysing your potential investment on a fundamental basis.
whathome: "Why do you think it was luck? Buying undervalued revenue creating assets, whether they are equities or property ensures that risk is minimised while potential gain is maximised. I just don't get the "you have to take a risk to make a good return" thing. "
Hmmm....talk about 20/20 hindsight. 'Undervalued revenue creating assets' in the form of equities or property have risks attaching no matter what they are. Sure, some might be a 'safer bet' than others, but you were still at the mercy of many factors outside of your control (market forces, economic shocks, fraud, incompetence etc.). You may have done well but I wouldn't fool yourself or us that you were not taking risks.
Well in my estate there are two empty houses that have never been occupied. Then there are the 4 that people are trying to sell, one of which has been sitting at Sale Agreed for 6 months. I've no trouble believing there are 275,000 empty homes many of which are in high demand areas. For the record I live in Donnybrook in Cork, and a house in my area goes for 385k. So it's not like these are empty homes in the back of Leitrim or anything.
Risk - reward
Junk bonds are riskier than Government bonds from developed countries. As such they tend pay a higher rate of interest. That is, you take on the risk, you make more money if it works out.
Starting a business is riskier than working fulltime, but you'll potentially earn a _lot_ more. Running an internet startup is a lot riskier than a corner store. YouTube sold to Google for 1.6 billion...
The entire insurance industry is based on this principle ;-)
Let me clarify that I agree that property is overvalued in Ireland right now, and is not a good investment. However, if you were a bear over the last 10 years you would have missed out on the biggest property bull run in the states history! Not a recipe for creating "untold" wealth. It's easy to sit and do nothing. Taking decisive action to get involved, involves taking risks. Some of the bears on here have suggested that they will try and make money in what they are calling as a bear market - but most will sit it out (again!) I suspect!
there's one there right now! [broken link removed]
not recognising risk and being profitable is luck in my opinion.
absolutely agree on this, if you're profitable without realising that you were taking risks - then you could be benefiting from luck.
That's why I don't take risks - would hate to rely on luck!
best of luck to you zac
another reason for not to expect mass exodus from the market, plenty of whips around.
cheers but I believe luck is a nice thing to have even if you recognise your risk.
Hang on a sec, this limerick phenomenon has to be than a MoyRoss "effect".
What is so radically different their that they are at complete odds with the rest of Ireland.
Any more link to very deflated Limerik prices anyone?
Reason, demogrpahically why, economically why, politically why and so on.... I am not familiar with that region but how could an area in Ireland be so out of wack. I know that previous link was to a former council house, but those too in Dublin have enjoyed massive rise is prices.
Someone said it before here, and I'll say it again Limierick look like a warning as to where the market can go, were Ireland could be again, so we need to know how it has happned there becuase it should indicate were it is most likely to appear again or ways to avoid it.
The NCB report is equally based on a lot of assumptions. They assume that life expectancy will continue to rise, they assume that fertility will remain at current levels. Interestingly, after 2020 they expect immigration to fall to 0.
The problem, as I see it, is that the predictions, as such, will stand or fall on those assumptions. In other words, the report is in a nice pdf, but it is still speculation per se. I suppose that makes it no different to the property market in itself.
What interests me is the general short termist view of looking at things here. Property doesn't crash overnight. It might crash over seven or eight months, and the cracks might be visible for a long while. But what interests me is that initially, people who called time on untramelled growth were called to provide "proof" whereas people who don't believe that a correction is likely or possible don't have to provide any proof at all, or at least, don't have to provide the same level of proof. NCB's report is an indication of this. Many people have doubts about the property market because it has gone over and above average affordability. Not because they are playing guessing games with the economy and future population. What we have now is not a long term situation, and unfortunately, rising salaries will not buy us out of this situation without also buying us a lot of unemployment.
Ultimately, the property market comes down to brass tacks. Who has the money, and who hasn't. The banks are running out of options to give people more money to buy property. I'll be interested to see what they come up with to get over short term affordability problems since they've run out of 100% and interest only and 35 and 40 year terms as options. There isn't much left except very dangerous games in a rising interest rate environment.
Hang on a sec, this limerick phenomenon has to be than a MoyRoss "effect".
What is so radically different their that they are at complete odds with the rest of Ireland.
Any more link to very deflated Limerik prices anyone?
Reason, demogrpahically why, economically why, politically why and so on.... I am not familiar with that region but how could an area in Ireland be so out of wack. I know that previous link was to a former council house, but those too in Dublin have enjoyed massive rise is prices.
Someone said it before here, and I'll say it again Limierick look like a warning as to where the market can go, were Ireland could be again, so we need to know how it has happned there becuase it should indicate were it is most likely to appear again or ways to avoid it.
It would be an ok investment if you could get a local(single mother and child) on rent allowance paying 600euro a month into it.There is talk of governement doing regeneration in like of moyross. The cost of building such a house would exceed the price its on sale for. Limerick property does seem relatively cheap even outside these areas, where else in ireland would you get this property for 1million [broken link removed]=These aera's are a different animal altogether,"outsiders" cannot purchase in these area's because you will not be accepted unless you already know people living in the aera.Any outsiders foolish enough to buy,the first cross word you have with anyone in the estate,from that day on your cards are marked.The same applies in certain parts of west dublin also.
Prices are that low,because nobody will take the peoperty off you bar the locals.These properties are not a barometer of the market in general !.
Moyross in Limerick is by no means a barometer for the market. It is an economically disadvantaged area with a reputation for antisocial behaviour and harrassment of residents. It was there that the kids had a petrol bomb thrown into their car earlier this year (apparently this was their idea of fun - throwing petrol bombs at each other - no joke).
There are very special circumstances there that do not apply in the rest of Limerick.
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